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> immigrant can be radicalized to the point that you are cheering on the people who would be more than happy to deport you and most of your family on the basis

> immigrant can be radicalized to the point that you are cheering on the people who would be more than happy to deport you and most of your family on the basis of your skin color alone Based! I can just picture Kash finishing the job by deporting the last remaining immigrant: himself. Regardless, it’s telling that we were talking about legal theories but you couldn’t keep out that intrusive thought about my skin color and immigration background.

jacquesm 1y ago
That's because you seem to be carrying water for the regime in your increasingly narrow interpretations of legal issues to defend that which is clearly indefensible. Intent matters. I understand that is not how the American legal system works. But it is how you avoid sliding into setups that no country should want. It boggles the mind that after six months of this you still have not had any insights that have given you pause to reconsider your stance. In fact, it seems to only get worse. There was a time that I looked up to you, but that time is definitely past. As for KP: he is just an even more extreme example of the same thing.
- rayiner 1y ago
  > That's because you seem to be carrying water for the regime in your increasingly narrow interpretations of legal issues to defend that which is clearly indefensible. Hey now, my interpretation of legal issues has been narrow since I was a law student. My second-year administrative law class used Gary Lawson's textbook (https://fedsoc.org/contributors/gary-lawson https://fedsoc.org/contributors/gary-lawson). The seminal cases all had notes after them along the lines of "isn't this clearly unconstitutional?" I remember nodding along and getting angry that the mid-20th century Supreme Court had fucked up the Constitution so badly. So, no, I don't care that Trump is dismantling an administrative state that shouldn't exist in the first place. Despotism is not when the President fires Department of Education bureaucrats. It's when the President tells you what you can and cannot build on your own land. So far, Trump hasn't been doing that. Putting all that aside, I'm perfectly fine for you to attack me as a constitutional Taliban. But why bring my skin color into it?
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    > I remember nodding along and getting angry that the mid-20th century Supreme Court had fucked up the Constitution so badly. As opposed to what is happening right now? Do you think Trump is fixing the constitution somehow? He's all but wiping his ass with it. > So, no, I don't care that Trump is dismantling an administrative state that shouldn't exist in the first place. He's not just dismantling an administrative state. He's wrecking your countries' institutions left, right and center and those institutions are the glue that kept the country alive and together. It kept you healthy, educated and employed. > Despotism is not when the President fires Department of Education bureaucrats. It's when the President tells you what you can and cannot build on your own land. I don't think that matters much when your land is bought at firesale prices right out from under you because otherwise you won't be able to make ends meet. The manufactured crisis you are going through right now is redistributing wealth at a fantastic rate. And guess who is on the receiving side. > But why bring my skin color into it? Because unless you are living under a rock it should be painfully clear by now that you've voted massively against your own interests. Skin color is exactly the thing that this administration seems to be using as the distinguishing factor between the 'in' and the 'out' groups and that does not change because there are a couple of convenient exceptions. Or do you think giving White South Africans a speedrun through US immigration is an accident of chance? Maybe you think that you too will be one of the exceptions but more and more people are finding out that they too voted against their own interests. This doesn't stop just with illegals, criminals, immigrants or homeless people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump Have a look there and then look through that lens at the last six months. See a pattern? It's racism as one major theme and probably misogynist overtones as another. The last thing Trump has respect for is the law (whether private, constitutional or criminal does not seem to matter much) unless it is as a tool to exact revenge. That a lawyer would support the man whose own lawyer needed a lawyer and ended up convicted is already weird enough.
    - dudefeliciano 1y ago
      it's an often heard cliché at this point, but trumpism is a cult, no logic anywhere in there. I doubt your response will lead to any understanding. Recently someone commented to me that the whole point of the tariffs is to curb consumerism in the United States, without further explanation when asked where they got that outlandish idea from. There is no point in arguing anymore, it is literally a waste of time...it's so sad to see obviously intelligent people fall for for this, even against their own interest as you mentioned.

jacquesm 1y ago

That's because you seem to be carrying water for the regime in your increasingly narrow interpretations of legal issues to defend that which is clearly indefensible. Intent matters. I understand that is not how the American legal system works. But it is how you avoid sliding into setups that no country should want. It boggles the mind that after six months of this you still have not had any insights that have given you pause to reconsider your stance. In fact, it seems to only get worse. There was a time that I looked up to you, but that time is definitely past. As for KP: he is just an even more extreme example of the same thing.

rayiner 1y ago
> That's because you seem to be carrying water for the regime in your increasingly narrow interpretations of legal issues to defend that which is clearly indefensible. Hey now, my interpretation of legal issues has been narrow since I was a law student. My second-year administrative law class used Gary Lawson's textbook (https://fedsoc.org/contributors/gary-lawson https://fedsoc.org/contributors/gary-lawson). The seminal cases all had notes after them along the lines of "isn't this clearly unconstitutional?" I remember nodding along and getting angry that the mid-20th century Supreme Court had fucked up the Constitution so badly. So, no, I don't care that Trump is dismantling an administrative state that shouldn't exist in the first place. Despotism is not when the President fires Department of Education bureaucrats. It's when the President tells you what you can and cannot build on your own land. So far, Trump hasn't been doing that. Putting all that aside, I'm perfectly fine for you to attack me as a constitutional Taliban. But why bring my skin color into it?
- jacquesm 1y ago
  > I remember nodding along and getting angry that the mid-20th century Supreme Court had fucked up the Constitution so badly. As opposed to what is happening right now? Do you think Trump is fixing the constitution somehow? He's all but wiping his ass with it. > So, no, I don't care that Trump is dismantling an administrative state that shouldn't exist in the first place. He's not just dismantling an administrative state. He's wrecking your countries' institutions left, right and center and those institutions are the glue that kept the country alive and together. It kept you healthy, educated and employed. > Despotism is not when the President fires Department of Education bureaucrats. It's when the President tells you what you can and cannot build on your own land. I don't think that matters much when your land is bought at firesale prices right out from under you because otherwise you won't be able to make ends meet. The manufactured crisis you are going through right now is redistributing wealth at a fantastic rate. And guess who is on the receiving side. > But why bring my skin color into it? Because unless you are living under a rock it should be painfully clear by now that you've voted massively against your own interests. Skin color is exactly the thing that this administration seems to be using as the distinguishing factor between the 'in' and the 'out' groups and that does not change because there are a couple of convenient exceptions. Or do you think giving White South Africans a speedrun through US immigration is an accident of chance? Maybe you think that you too will be one of the exceptions but more and more people are finding out that they too voted against their own interests. This doesn't stop just with illegals, criminals, immigrants or homeless people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump Have a look there and then look through that lens at the last six months. See a pattern? It's racism as one major theme and probably misogynist overtones as another. The last thing Trump has respect for is the law (whether private, constitutional or criminal does not seem to matter much) unless it is as a tool to exact revenge. That a lawyer would support the man whose own lawyer needed a lawyer and ended up convicted is already weird enough.
  - dudefeliciano 1y ago
    it's an often heard cliché at this point, but trumpism is a cult, no logic anywhere in there. I doubt your response will lead to any understanding. Recently someone commented to me that the whole point of the tariffs is to curb consumerism in the United States, without further explanation when asked where they got that outlandish idea from. There is no point in arguing anymore, it is literally a waste of time...it's so sad to see obviously intelligent people fall for for this, even against their own interest as you mentioned.