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I'm still convinced that it being called "full self driving" is misleading marketing and really needs to stop, since it isn't according to Tesla
by voidUpdate 1y ago
I'm still convinced that it being called "full self driving" is misleading marketing and really needs to stop, since it isn't according to Tesla
- acdha 1y agoWhy do you think Musk put so much money into helping Trump win? Tesla was under multiple investigations for safety and unkept promises, and he knew that he would not have leverage to halt those under a Harris administration.
- thowaway52729 1y agoIf that was his goal he would have minded his own business after the election, instead of spouting invective posts against Trump on X.
- Maken 1y agoThat was after Musk realized he had alienated his entire consumer base.
- thowaway52729 1y agoAnd he wants to bring them back by alienating Trump while doubling down on his rhetoric?
- delfinom 1y agoHe has an ego and narcissism but he isn't dumb. He sees the problems but also cant admit hes wrong or anything.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago> but he isn't dumb. Musk’s assistant peeked back the muttered and said he had another meeting. “Do you have any final thoughts?” she asked. “Yes, I want to say one thing.” the data scientist said. He took a deep breath and turned to Musk. “I’m resigning today. I was feeling excited about the takeover, but I was really disappointed by your Paul Pelosi tweet. It’s really such obvious partisan misinformation and it makes me worry about you and what kind of friends you’re getting information from. It’s only really like the tenth percentile of the adult population who’d be gullible enough to fall for this.” The color drained from Musk’s already pale face. He leaned forward in his chair. No one spoke to him like this. And no one, least of all someone who worked for him, would dare to question his intellect or his tweets. His darting eyes focused for a second directly on the data scientist. “Fuck you!” Musk growled. https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/25/lies-damned-lies-and-elon-musk/ https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/25/lies-damned-lies-and-elo...
- antonvs 1y agoThat happened much earlier. The split with Trump happened after it finally sunk in that that Republicans weren't actually interested in smaller government or cost savings, that that was just a rhetorical weapon that they deploy selectively to get elected.
- FireBeyond 1y agoI thought Musk was an amazing, brilliantly intelligent man? But it took him four months deeply embedded with the Republican party to come to this conclusion? It's been blindingly obvious to anyone remotely paying attention to US politics for the last decade (or two, or more, but blindingly so, more recently).
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- antonvs 1y agoIf we accept his self-diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder, it could make a certain amount of sense. Coupled with the common propensity for motivated reasoning - someone initially told him what he wanted to hear, and he believed it. It's always difficult to get a true read on what people believe, and that goes double for very powerful or wealthy people, who have professionals devoted to their image management. Which, not coincidentally, is also where the idea of Musk as an "amazing, brilliantly intelligent man" comes from. After all, he doesn't have any sort of history of published work or intellectual breakthroughs to support that. He seems to be good at investment, and at a certain kind of hype-based marketing, including of himself (up to a point.)
- lenkite 1y agoHe was under some imaginary assumption that Trump cared about the national deficit because of his campaign speeches. Once he realized that Trump really didn't care two hoots about it and only planned to increase it even more he had a late buyer's realization.
- baggachipz 1y agoIf he thought trump would actually adhere to anything he said... or, for that matter, was the least bit consistent in what he did on a day-to-day basis, then Elon is not fit to pull his own pants up in the morning.
- rsynnott 1y agoI mean, if we was rational, sure, that's probably what he should have done. But, y'know, he clearly _isn't_.
- efficax 1y agohe's not a very smart man
- rcpt 1y agoHe didn't really know what he was getting into until after all the appointments. I think he honestly believed that his engineering and business prowess would carry influence in the anti education party. fellforitagain.jpg
- myrmidon 1y agoI'm absolutely not a fan of Trump, but this is a highly questionable assumption. The much more likely hypothesis in my view is that he was helping Trump because of personal conviction (only in small parts motivated by naked self-interest). You should expect rational billionaires to tend politically right out of pure self-interest and distorted perspective alone; because the universal thing that such parties reliably do when in power is cutting tax burden on the top end.
- antonvs 1y agoMusk is on record saying to Tucker Carlson that “If [Trump] loses, I’m fucked.” So this isn't so much of an assumption, as taking him at his word.
- unnamed76ri 1y agoThe Left was coming after Musk pretty hard before the election. I don’t know the context of the quote you pulled but it’s not hard to see how if Trump lost, there was going to be consequences for Musk.
- Swenrekcah 1y agoHe has committed a lot of fraud and was facing consequences for that. That has nothing to do with left or right.
- walls 1y agoIt does actually, because only one side is interested in finding or fighting fraud.
- Swenrekcah 1y agoCurrently yes, but it is not inherently so. The problem with the US regime is that it is compromised, corrupt and heading towards fascism. The problem is not that the republican party used to be a conservative right party. What I’m saying is this is not a sports competition where Musk is automatically an opponent of the Democratic party because he supported Trump. He supported Trump in order to improve his chances with the legal system because he knew Trump would be willing to be so corrupt. Another world might be imagined in which the Democratic party was taken over in 2016 but that is not the world we live in.
- orlp 1y agoThe marketing doesn't even matter. It either needs to be full self driving, or nothing at all. The "semi self-driving but you're still responsible when shit hits the fan" just doesn't work. Humans are simply incapable of paying attention to a task for long periods if it doesn't involve some kind of interactive feedback. You can't ask someone to watch paint dry while simultaneously expect them to have < 0.5sec reaction time to a sudden impulse three hours into the drying process.
- AuthorizedCust 1y agoI have a SAE level 2 car. Those features DO help!
- Jeremy1026 1y agoSame. Not having to worry about keeping the car between the lines allows me to keep my focus on the other cars around me more. Offloading the cognitive load of fine tuning allows more dedication to the bigger picture.
- AlexandrB 1y agoThis makes no sense to me. Driving involves all senses, not just vision - if you're not feeling what the car is doing because you're not engaged with the steering wheel what good is it to see what's around you? I also don't understand how one has trouble staying between the lines with minimal cognitive input after more than a few months of driving. Oh! And also, moving within the lane is sometimes important for getting a better look at what's up ahead or behind you or expressing car "body language" that allows others to know you're probably going to change lanes soon.
- ghaff 1y agoI don't have personal experience but friends with personal experience have sort of shifted my thinking on the topic. They'll note they do need to stay engaged but that it is genuinely useful on long drives in particular. The control handover is definitely an issue but so is manual driving in general. Their consensus is that the current state of the art is by no means perfect but it is improved and it's not like there aren't problems with existing manual driving even with some assistive systems.
- terminalshort 1y agoI see this brought up a lot, but I don't think it's really an issue. It's misleading in a very technical sense, but it's so misleading that nobody is mislead. Just like nobody thinks the "Magic Eraser" is actually magic. I fundamentally just don't think anybody is out there actually believing this thing is L5 full self driving, especially after all the warnings it shows you and the disclaimers when you buy it. The problem here isn't that people think they don't need to pay attention because their car can drive itself and then crash. The problem is that people who know full well that they need to focus on driving just don't because fundamentally the human brain isn't any good at paying attention 100% of the time in a situation where you can get away with not paying attention 99.9% of the time, and naming just can't solve this.
- moduspol 1y agoI’m less convinced we need to keep bringing this up in every single thread involving Tesla.
- razemio 1y agoEverytime this comes up, I am on the opposite site of this. It is clearly full self driving. It can stop at red lights, cross intersections, make turns, park, drive, change lanes, break and navigate on its own. There are various videos online where FSD managed to drive a route start to finish without a single human override. That's full self driving. It can also crash like humans "can" and that why it needs supervision. In this sense, we as humans are also "full self driving" with a much (?) lower risk of crashing. Like also everytime let the downvotes rain. If you downvote, it would be nice, if you could tell me where I am wrong. It might change my view on things.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> It is clearly full self driving. It can stop at red lights, cross intersections, make turns, park, drive, change lanes, break and navigate on its own. That's full self driving All this demonstrates is the term “full self driving” is meaningless. Tesla has a SAE Level 3 [1] product they’re falsely marketing as Level 5; when this case occurred, they were misrepresenting a Level 2 system as Level 4 or 5. If you want to see true self driving, take a Waymo. Tesla can’t do that. They’ve been lying that they can. That’s gotten people hurt and killed; Tesla should be liable for tens if not hundreds of billions for that liability. [1] https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update
- terminalshort 1y agoIf it's a meaningless term then it can't be misrepresenting to use it.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> If it's a meaningless term then it can't be misrepresenting to use it It’s meaningless because Tesla redefines it at will. The misrepresentation causes the meaninglessness.
- razemio 1y agoThat's something different. The problem with the level is, that it only focuses on the attention the human driver needs to give to the automation. In this sense my Kia EV6 is also Level 2/3, same as FSD. However FSD can do so much more than my Kia EV6. That's a fact. Still the same level. Where did Tesla say FSD is SAE Level 5 approved? They would be responsible everytime FSD is active during a crash. Tesla is full self driving with Level 2/3 supervision and in my opinion this is not missleading. Also "All this demonstrates is the term “full self driving” is meaningless." prooves my point that it is not missleading.
- JumpCrisscross 1y agoIf you live in a city, please send this article to your municipal and state electeds. Tesla is lobbying for the right to train and activate its Level 4 product, marketed as Level 5, in cities where Musk is deeply unpopular. There is massive political capital to be had in banning Tesla’s self-driving features on even the flimsiest grounds.
- terminalshort 1y agoI would rather take a bullet than be a luddite who gets in the way of technological advancement on "the flimsiest of grounds."
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> be a luddite who gets in the way of technological advancement on "the flimsiest of grounds” Blocking a technology is Luddism. Blocking a company is politics.
- rcpt 1y agoThe choice isn't a bullet it's getting smashed by a "robo" taxi. And no you wouldn't.
- terminalshort 1y agoI'm perfectly happy to take the risk of getting smashed by a robo taxi, and I do every day. Getting smashed by a robo taxi is actually a bit better than getting smashed by a human driver because at least in the case of getting smashed by the robo taxi the crash data goes into improving the system in the future.
- rcpt 1y agoDoubt.
- MetaWhirledPeas 1y agoYou managed to get a lot of replies, but none of them are pointing out that this 2019 case did not involve "full self driving" at all.