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Semi-OT: I currently have a QNAP TS-451D2. I use it mainly with a MacBook Pro. Something in QNAPs Samba implementation makes it glacially slow in that configur

Semi-OT: I currently have a QNAP TS-451D2. I use it mainly with a MacBook Pro. Something in QNAPs Samba implementation makes it glacially slow in that configuration. While it still does AFP (and then becomes somewhat decent to use), it's only a question of time for apple to chop that protocol. With QNAP having proven to be substandard and Synology going evil, what other options for a mid-range, local NAS for the tech guy who doesn't want to have another thing to tinker with do exist? I'm thinking 'appliance', not 'project'. Ideally, I want to just set it up once and then forget about it.

gbtw 1y ago
Truenas (linux) has been like that for me. Repurposed my last pc, added a pci-e sas/sata card, add 8 hdd's. Installed it 2 years ago and its been auto updating and i have been hardly having to deal with it, at most an hour a month to check the status and maybe add or remove some docker container stuff thats running on there.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  An hour a month + some docker shenanigans I don't understand? Your sales pitch started out so good and then - anxiety spiking for me. :-D
  - MarioMan 1y ago
    I run TrueNAS Scale at home myself. There’s no need to proactively check in on anything if you’ve set up email alerts. It’s pretty straightforward to give the NAS permission to send you emails in case a drive dies on you rather than failing silently. Docker containers are just a nice bonus. You don’t need to use them if you don’t want to, but it is awfully convenient to run things like media encoders, torrent clients, download managers, etc. directly on your storage.
  - zer00eyz 1y ago
    Depending on what you build and how you build it you're going to have a large range of experiences. Do you need just disks in a raid? Look at it once a month to make sure nothing stupid has happened and go on with your life. Do you want to run a bunch of services (arr stack, home assistant, full on home lab type stuff) then yes it may require some more "work" depending on what your running and how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go.
- brnt 1y ago
  Did something similar, but just used Debian stable and Samba. Rock stable without intervention other than an occasional login to update. My fileshare needs are simple (single user), so that might be a reason to not choose this. The nice thing is that since it's Debian you _can_ do more if you wish, at any time.
theshrike79 1y ago
A Jonsbo case and Unraid: https://nascompares.com/2023/09/01/jonsbo-n2-nas-build-with-topton-motherboard-build-complete-guide/ https://nascompares.com/2023/09/01/jonsbo-n2-nas-build-with-... The Jonsbo cases are pretty compact and QNAP/Synology-ish. As for Unraid: You pay for it, so you're the customer and can expect some kind of support. It's also pretty damn stable and supports casual "I'll just add this drive to get more space" usage compared to ZFS stuff.
- fer 1y ago
  >UnRAID >It's also pretty damn stable Not my experience. shfs crashes like crazy, tuning some things might alleviate it but it still fails. From the dozens of workarounds recommended, the only one that seems to help (for me and some others, not for everyone) is to disable NFS, which kinda defeats the point of a NAS for me. Also while memtest is needed to rule out a memory issue, I found some tendency to disregard these issues as hardware related... if it's only shfs crashing and not the kernel nor any other app, chances are it's an shfs issue. Currently I think they pin it on a libfuse bug. https://forums.unraid.net/bug-reports/stable-releases/683-shfs-error-results-in-lost-mntuser-r939/ https://forums.unraid.net/bug-reports/stable-releases/683-sh... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/189449-shares-keep-disappearing-after-update-to-701/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/189449-shares-keep-disappear... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/137653-share-disappeared-again/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/137653-share-disappeared-aga... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/161179-unraid-unstable-freezes-or-shares-disappear/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/161179-unraid-unstable-freez... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/151605-mnt-user-is-gone/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/151605-mnt-user-is-gone/
- nottorp 1y ago
  Looks like we killed that site. Some header loads sloowly, but I get 'too many connections' instead of any article text.
  - euLh7SM5HDFY 1y ago
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radicality 1y ago
Have you already tried tinkering with the smb settings on both the local and nas config like here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102064 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102064 https://support.apple.com/en-us/101442 https://support.apple.com/en-us/101442 https://gist.github.com/jbfriedrich/49b186473486ac72c4fe194af01288be https://gist.github.com/jbfriedrich/49b186473486ac72c4fe194a...
makeitdouble 1y ago
Would NFS be faster ? It was years ago but for whatever reason SMB was slow on my Mac even when connecting to Linux boxes. I mapped my user ID to the Synology user and switched to straight NFS instead, per wise it was night and day.
- lostlogin 1y ago
  It’s baffling how messed up it is on the Mac. I get more reliable speeds and connections from an Ubuntu VM that’s running on the same Mac than I do from the Mac. How can this happen?
m-s-y 1y ago
FWIW my qnap was also hammering my samba. After a few hours it would limit my transfers to 2Mb. I fixed it by removing the virtual network switch that gets installed if you use the container services.
sexeriy237 1y ago
QNAP DOESN'T RESPOND TO RESEARCHERS THAT FIND ZERO DAYS IN THEIR CODE. that should tell you all you need to know

gbtw 1y ago

Truenas (linux) has been like that for me. Repurposed my last pc, added a pci-e sas/sata card, add 8 hdd's. Installed it 2 years ago and its been auto updating and i have been hardly having to deal with it, at most an hour a month to check the status and maybe add or remove some docker container stuff thats running on there.

actionfromafar 1y ago
An hour a month + some docker shenanigans I don't understand? Your sales pitch started out so good and then - anxiety spiking for me. :-D
- MarioMan 1y ago
  I run TrueNAS Scale at home myself. There’s no need to proactively check in on anything if you’ve set up email alerts. It’s pretty straightforward to give the NAS permission to send you emails in case a drive dies on you rather than failing silently. Docker containers are just a nice bonus. You don’t need to use them if you don’t want to, but it is awfully convenient to run things like media encoders, torrent clients, download managers, etc. directly on your storage.
- zer00eyz 1y ago
  Depending on what you build and how you build it you're going to have a large range of experiences. Do you need just disks in a raid? Look at it once a month to make sure nothing stupid has happened and go on with your life. Do you want to run a bunch of services (arr stack, home assistant, full on home lab type stuff) then yes it may require some more "work" depending on what your running and how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go.
brnt 1y ago
Did something similar, but just used Debian stable and Samba. Rock stable without intervention other than an occasional login to update. My fileshare needs are simple (single user), so that might be a reason to not choose this. The nice thing is that since it's Debian you _can_ do more if you wish, at any time.

theshrike79 1y ago

A Jonsbo case and Unraid: https://nascompares.com/2023/09/01/jonsbo-n2-nas-build-with-topton-motherboard-build-complete-guide/ https://nascompares.com/2023/09/01/jonsbo-n2-nas-build-with-... The Jonsbo cases are pretty compact and QNAP/Synology-ish. As for Unraid: You pay for it, so you're the customer and can expect some kind of support. It's also pretty damn stable and supports casual "I'll just add this drive to get more space" usage compared to ZFS stuff.

fer 1y ago
>UnRAID >It's also pretty damn stable Not my experience. shfs crashes like crazy, tuning some things might alleviate it but it still fails. From the dozens of workarounds recommended, the only one that seems to help (for me and some others, not for everyone) is to disable NFS, which kinda defeats the point of a NAS for me. Also while memtest is needed to rule out a memory issue, I found some tendency to disregard these issues as hardware related... if it's only shfs crashing and not the kernel nor any other app, chances are it's an shfs issue. Currently I think they pin it on a libfuse bug. https://forums.unraid.net/bug-reports/stable-releases/683-shfs-error-results-in-lost-mntuser-r939/ https://forums.unraid.net/bug-reports/stable-releases/683-sh... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/189449-shares-keep-disappearing-after-update-to-701/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/189449-shares-keep-disappear... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/137653-share-disappeared-again/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/137653-share-disappeared-aga... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/161179-unraid-unstable-freezes-or-shares-disappear/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/161179-unraid-unstable-freez... https://forums.unraid.net/topic/151605-mnt-user-is-gone/ https://forums.unraid.net/topic/151605-mnt-user-is-gone/
nottorp 1y ago
Looks like we killed that site. Some header loads sloowly, but I get 'too many connections' instead of any article text.
- euLh7SM5HDFY 1y ago
  [dead]
1y ago

radicality 1y ago

Have you already tried tinkering with the smb settings on both the local and nas config like here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102064 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102064 https://support.apple.com/en-us/101442 https://support.apple.com/en-us/101442 https://gist.github.com/jbfriedrich/49b186473486ac72c4fe194af01288be https://gist.github.com/jbfriedrich/49b186473486ac72c4fe194a...

makeitdouble 1y ago

Would NFS be faster ? It was years ago but for whatever reason SMB was slow on my Mac even when connecting to Linux boxes. I mapped my user ID to the Synology user and switched to straight NFS instead, per wise it was night and day.

lostlogin 1y ago
It’s baffling how messed up it is on the Mac. I get more reliable speeds and connections from an Ubuntu VM that’s running on the same Mac than I do from the Mac. How can this happen?

m-s-y 1y ago

FWIW my qnap was also hammering my samba. After a few hours it would limit my transfers to 2Mb. I fixed it by removing the virtual network switch that gets installed if you use the container services.

sexeriy237 1y ago

QNAP DOESN'T RESPOND TO RESEARCHERS THAT FIND ZERO DAYS IN THEIR CODE. that should tell you all you need to know