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Nope. They can simply talk to each other. I talk to people inside Indonesia routinely. I do it via SMS, via the phone, via iMessage, via Microsoft Teams. It's n

by breve 1y ago

Nope. They can simply talk to each other. I talk to people inside Indonesia routinely. I do it via SMS, via the phone, via iMessage, via Microsoft Teams. It's not difficult. You're not understanding the circumstances on a practical level. All you're doing is running away from the work to solve the fundamental political problem and that avoidance won't solve anything.

protocolture 1y ago
>All you're doing is running away from the work I feel like you have some weird moral hangup with needing/using non local resources that wont be resolved with any application of logic or reference to facts. Its nice that you have formed some weird worldview but its not really reality and it doesnt fit into it, so no need to make it anyone elses problem really. Edit: Also last time I checked iMessage and Teams are also hosted outside of indonesia.
- breve 1y ago
  I'm saying slacktivism won't get you anywhere. There is no technical solution to cultivating a better political culture.
  - protocolture 1y ago
    You are trying to frame someones reasonable activism as slacktivism. And its not framing that passes muster. Its not slacktivism because it happens on Discord instead of Teams.
    - breve 1y ago
      No. I'm being practical. Here's what direct, in country, in person, actual skin the game has got done: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyrk2kxlngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyrk2kxlngo Indonesia and Indonesians must do more of that. Take that responsibility. Get the country under control. Improve the political culture. Get a better standard of democracy. One of the reasons Russia, for example, is out of control is because Russians stopped taking responsibility for their own country. They surrendered to apathy and nihilism. Bit by bit they allowed authoritarianism to take over again. It's going to be hard to get a better political culture back in Russia. It will take a long time.

by breve 1y ago

protocolture 1y ago

>All you're doing is running away from the work I feel like you have some weird moral hangup with needing/using non local resources that wont be resolved with any application of logic or reference to facts. Its nice that you have formed some weird worldview but its not really reality and it doesnt fit into it, so no need to make it anyone elses problem really. Edit: Also last time I checked iMessage and Teams are also hosted outside of indonesia.

breve 1y ago
I'm saying slacktivism won't get you anywhere. There is no technical solution to cultivating a better political culture.
- protocolture 1y ago
  You are trying to frame someones reasonable activism as slacktivism. And its not framing that passes muster. Its not slacktivism because it happens on Discord instead of Teams.
  - breve 1y ago
    No. I'm being practical. Here's what direct, in country, in person, actual skin the game has got done: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyrk2kxlngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyrk2kxlngo Indonesia and Indonesians must do more of that. Take that responsibility. Get the country under control. Improve the political culture. Get a better standard of democracy. One of the reasons Russia, for example, is out of control is because Russians stopped taking responsibility for their own country. They surrendered to apathy and nihilism. Bit by bit they allowed authoritarianism to take over again. It's going to be hard to get a better political culture back in Russia. It will take a long time.