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Apart from nothing lasts forever.. This is a speculative take too, as the OP. We don't know what will happen in China in the future. One thing is true: at the m
by bgnn 1y ago
Apart from nothing lasts forever.. This is a speculative take too, as the OP. We don't know what will happen in China in the future. One thing is true: at the moment their change is towards more democracy and personal rights, and it's the exact opposite in the West. My theorty, a counter-theory to yours if you will, is that the wealth growth for the lower and middle classes declined or reversed in the West (US, Europe, Canada etc) since 70s, which coincides with the West divesting from industrial production and embracing the financialization of the economy. Today EU is officially applying censorship on media and trying hard on controlling the personal communications of persons, similar trends in US. We think we are better than China, but from the non-Western countries the difference isn't that big anymore.
- PikachuEXE 1y agoI agree with your opinion on US/EU etc. as they have more leftism/collectivism/socialism growing. But I don't understand "One thing is true: at the moment their change is towards more democracy and personal rights" part and maybe you can provide more explanations/examples/sources/whatever?
- thrance 1y agoThat censorship is not coming fromt "leftism/collectivism/socialism", whatever that is. Unionization in the west is at its lowest point in many decades.
- trimethylpurine 1y agoAre you saying unionization is left or right leaning? There's certainly not enough consensus on that issue to make a strong point.
- thrance 1y agoObviously and overwhelmingly left leaning. You can't be pro-business and pro-unions, and these values are core to the right and the left respectively. I feel like I'm stating the most obvious facts here. I can only recommend a quick read through the Wikipedia page for Syndicalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism
- trimethylpurine 1y agoInteresting. I see both sides representing the interests of the corporations that fund their campaigns. Both advertise that they are for the working class. Neither actually is.
- thrance 1y agoIf by "both sides" you mean american democrats and republicans, sure. Although republicans are much worse for the working class than the democrats. Both are at the heels of capital, one side is just that much more overt and aggressive about it. In the rest of the world though, there are actual leftist movements who are genuinely standing for the working class. But they don't get much power these days, and things are mostly going backwards for worker's rights globally. One thing is sure though, it's that any progress workers enjoyed in the past didn't come from the right. Paid leave, minimum wage, healthcare, retirement... it all came from the left.
- trimethylpurine 1y agoNot sure about the rest of the world, civil rights and OSHA are counter examples to the "all came from the left" claim in the US. Anyway, better not reply, political discussion isn't allowed here.
- int_19h 1y ago> One thing is true: at the moment their change is towards more democracy and personal rights That does not seem to be the case anymore under Xi.
- TiredOfLife 1y ago> One thing is true: at the moment their change is towards more democracy and personal rights And the large fleet of troop transport ships china is actively building is to spread that democracy to neighoring countries Same with supporting russian invasian in Ukraine