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The sea was not calm in 2010s, and certainly not in 2020s. Predictions to China’s collapse has been circulating for the past 15 years, and it just never panned

The sea was not calm in 2010s, and certainly not in 2020s. Predictions to China’s collapse has been circulating for the past 15 years, and it just never panned out. Unsurprisingly, when you have authoritarianism that’s at least mildly supported by the citizens, you can do wonders with 1.4B people. At some point, we have to give them credit where it’s due.

ViewTrick1002 1y ago
From your perspective or the perspective of the Chinese people feeling their increased well being by the year? No matter how rocky the world is the seas are calm when everyone has in close memory how it used to be.
- tokioyoyo 1y ago
  Both. Most Chinese (older ones) I've talked to mention how "thing aren't that amazing, but compared to 90s, this is heaven". Retired ones especially. The younger ones (early 20s), haven't experienced the dramatic change, so they don't have point of comparison, but to be fair, I haven't talked to many of them. Of course it's a big country, and they have a lot of problems. But there's still a general trust towards government institutions and how they'll eventually fix themselves up. Obviously not everyone, and some have valid reasons. And again, this goes without saying, China has 1.4B people, extremely different regions and very different cultures between each region.
Sammi 1y ago
> The sea was not calm in 2010s, and certainly not in 2020s. China had double digit gdp growth in 2000s, high single digit in 2010s, and still decent single digit in 2020s - that is until a year or so ago. These are the calm seas that used to be but are no longer. Geo politically China has and will always be squeezed, just by their geographic location. But economically they were flying ahead in the last few decades, and everything is so much easier while you have strong economic growth. Growth that they are struggling to realize suddenly... this will be a huge change and challenge for internal politics in China going forward. Because when people are getting wealthier each year then they are happy. But as soon as that stops, then it's like when the music stops and people have to find the first available chair to sit on. Those that don't find one will be unhappy.

ViewTrick1002 1y ago

From your perspective or the perspective of the Chinese people feeling their increased well being by the year? No matter how rocky the world is the seas are calm when everyone has in close memory how it used to be.

tokioyoyo 1y ago
Both. Most Chinese (older ones) I've talked to mention how "thing aren't that amazing, but compared to 90s, this is heaven". Retired ones especially. The younger ones (early 20s), haven't experienced the dramatic change, so they don't have point of comparison, but to be fair, I haven't talked to many of them. Of course it's a big country, and they have a lot of problems. But there's still a general trust towards government institutions and how they'll eventually fix themselves up. Obviously not everyone, and some have valid reasons. And again, this goes without saying, China has 1.4B people, extremely different regions and very different cultures between each region.

Sammi 1y ago

> The sea was not calm in 2010s, and certainly not in 2020s. China had double digit gdp growth in 2000s, high single digit in 2010s, and still decent single digit in 2020s - that is until a year or so ago. These are the calm seas that used to be but are no longer. Geo politically China has and will always be squeezed, just by their geographic location. But economically they were flying ahead in the last few decades, and everything is so much easier while you have strong economic growth. Growth that they are struggling to realize suddenly... this will be a huge change and challenge for internal politics in China going forward. Because when people are getting wealthier each year then they are happy. But as soon as that stops, then it's like when the music stops and people have to find the first available chair to sit on. Those that don't find one will be unhappy.