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Imo, Graphene wants to be a "Google certified" ROM OEM, they don't make devices but software. A good and secure ROM for sure but they're still begging them for

Imo, Graphene wants to be a "Google certified" ROM OEM, they don't make devices but software. A good and secure ROM for sure but they're still begging them for Play Integrity[1] and "sandboxing" GMS isn't fighting Google. [1] https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/112878070618462132 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/112878070618462132

jasonvorhe 1y ago
"Taking legal steps" isn't "begging" though.
gausswho 1y ago
This is not what they've claimed. Their pursuit of their own hardware phone next year could rattle the phone duopoly. If, and a big if, the intelligence agencies of the world will allow it to be sold.
- jajuuka 1y ago
  If Pine64 can't pull it off with millions in funding then I'm not sure how Graphene is going to accomplish that.
  - gausswho 1y ago
    Those operations, much as i respect them, did not reach the attention that GrpaheneOS has. Have they reached a takeoff velocity that more principled players didn't? Wouldn't be the first time we sang that chorus.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      As someone seeing this going on since OpenMoko, was at Nokia when Nokia 770 Internet Tablet was shown to employees for feedback before going public, it has always been the same story regarding getting these devices actually flying off the shelves from consumer shops. Some enjoy more attention than others, savy people buying them online, and eventually fade away for the next attempt, while general public continues unaware of their existence.
      - gausswho 1y ago
        This too is part of a pattern. Punk followed rock and roll. Is GrapheneOS the band that brings the culture? I wanna say yes on its own merits, but it's the political buffoonery that makes me think it's caught some lightning in a bottle.
subscribed 1y ago
No, they aren't begging? They wrapped Google services into sandbox for users relying on done software (with great success, even Android Auto works), and raise Play Integrity lie/false security with developers and regulators (Google claims a handset without security updates for years is safe). There's better (standard aosp) attestation mechanism GoS fully supports and which is supported by slowly growing number of developers (including banks).
- subscribed 1y ago
  s/done software/some software/, sorry

jasonvorhe 1y ago

"Taking legal steps" isn't "begging" though.

gausswho 1y ago

This is not what they've claimed. Their pursuit of their own hardware phone next year could rattle the phone duopoly. If, and a big if, the intelligence agencies of the world will allow it to be sold.

jajuuka 1y ago
If Pine64 can't pull it off with millions in funding then I'm not sure how Graphene is going to accomplish that.
- gausswho 1y ago
  Those operations, much as i respect them, did not reach the attention that GrpaheneOS has. Have they reached a takeoff velocity that more principled players didn't? Wouldn't be the first time we sang that chorus.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    As someone seeing this going on since OpenMoko, was at Nokia when Nokia 770 Internet Tablet was shown to employees for feedback before going public, it has always been the same story regarding getting these devices actually flying off the shelves from consumer shops. Some enjoy more attention than others, savy people buying them online, and eventually fade away for the next attempt, while general public continues unaware of their existence.
    - gausswho 1y ago
      This too is part of a pattern. Punk followed rock and roll. Is GrapheneOS the band that brings the culture? I wanna say yes on its own merits, but it's the political buffoonery that makes me think it's caught some lightning in a bottle.

subscribed 1y ago

No, they aren't begging? They wrapped Google services into sandbox for users relying on done software (with great success, even Android Auto works), and raise Play Integrity lie/false security with developers and regulators (Google claims a handset without security updates for years is safe). There's better (standard aosp) attestation mechanism GoS fully supports and which is supported by slowly growing number of developers (including banks).

subscribed 1y ago
s/done software/some software/, sorry