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> Yes, it wasn't brought by Biden Isn't that the crux of the matter? You have a (crypto)billionaire president using his presidential powers and personal wealth

> Yes, it wasn't brought by Biden Isn't that the crux of the matter? You have a (crypto)billionaire president using his presidential powers and personal wealth to start frivolous lawsuit to shut down his opponents. If that doesn't worry you I really don't know what to tell you.

rayiner 1y ago
It was brought by the elected Attorney General of New York, in furtherance of a promise to voters to pursue unspecified legal actions against the leader of the other party. I don't like lawfare, but I've come to the conclusion that the only proper response to norm violations is a 10x counter-response.
- BrenBarn 1y ago
  > I've come to the conclusion that the only proper response to norm violations is a 10x counter-response. That may be true --- or even a 100x response. But the thing is that a 100x (and probably even a 10x) response to many of these norm violations would take us well beyond the entire realm of lawfare. A 10x response would be at least "ignore everything the entire federal court system says because it's irredeemably corrupted", if not actual armed resistance. Even going back well before Trump, norm violations like McConnell holding Scalia's seat open already made it clear that the Supreme Court was no longer a meaningful institution (if it ever had been). I don't mean I didn't like some of their decisions. I mean the entire thing is a meaningless charade, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year and 366 in leap years. And that is just one example. The level of "counter-response" required to recover from the norm violations we've had over the last 10-20 years requires an overhaul to the very foundations of our system of government.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    > The level of "counter-response" required to recover from the norm violations we've had over the last 10-20 years requires an overhaul to the very foundations of our system of government. You might just get it. If the country survives as an entity. Otherwise you might get several new systems of government.
    - dudefeliciano 1y ago
      The system is flawed so let’s completely destroy it and build it from the ground up. This is what that statement sounds like to me, and it reminds me of a junior developer entering a company confident that he can rewrite the whole code base to make it more efficient.
      - jacquesm 1y ago
        Yes. And it never works. They always end up pulling back well before the prospective release date. Incremental beats big bang. Especially at the level of nation states, unless you don't care about a couple of million liters of blood.

rayiner 1y ago

It was brought by the elected Attorney General of New York, in furtherance of a promise to voters to pursue unspecified legal actions against the leader of the other party. I don't like lawfare, but I've come to the conclusion that the only proper response to norm violations is a 10x counter-response.

BrenBarn 1y ago
> I've come to the conclusion that the only proper response to norm violations is a 10x counter-response. That may be true --- or even a 100x response. But the thing is that a 100x (and probably even a 10x) response to many of these norm violations would take us well beyond the entire realm of lawfare. A 10x response would be at least "ignore everything the entire federal court system says because it's irredeemably corrupted", if not actual armed resistance. Even going back well before Trump, norm violations like McConnell holding Scalia's seat open already made it clear that the Supreme Court was no longer a meaningful institution (if it ever had been). I don't mean I didn't like some of their decisions. I mean the entire thing is a meaningless charade, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year and 366 in leap years. And that is just one example. The level of "counter-response" required to recover from the norm violations we've had over the last 10-20 years requires an overhaul to the very foundations of our system of government.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  > The level of "counter-response" required to recover from the norm violations we've had over the last 10-20 years requires an overhaul to the very foundations of our system of government. You might just get it. If the country survives as an entity. Otherwise you might get several new systems of government.
  - dudefeliciano 1y ago
    The system is flawed so let’s completely destroy it and build it from the ground up. This is what that statement sounds like to me, and it reminds me of a junior developer entering a company confident that he can rewrite the whole code base to make it more efficient.
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      Yes. And it never works. They always end up pulling back well before the prospective release date. Incremental beats big bang. Especially at the level of nation states, unless you don't care about a couple of million liters of blood.