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>Deliver growth, maintain order, forget the voting. It's spreading. I think it's mostly this that makes me uncomfortable. I value Western ideals and am hopeful

>Deliver growth, maintain order, forget the voting. It's spreading. I think it's mostly this that makes me uncomfortable. I value Western ideals and am hopeful that they continue to spread.

churchill 1y ago
The purpose of a thing is what it does. If Western ideals condone and actively fund atrocities like what's happening in Gaza, while failing to match the infrastructural pace of auth. regimes like China, it's only logical that people will gravitate towards the model that works. For instance, California's Intercity High-Speed Rail Commission was created by the California legislature in 1993 (before my parents got married) to develop a plan that was to begin construction in 2000. 32 years later, it's still not done, yet China has built nearly 50,000 km of HSR in less than 20 years. The differences are as blatant as that between oranges and orangutans.
kelipso 1y ago
What does Western ideals even mean today? Only lesson I've learned about those ideals over the last 24 years is that it means killing millions of civilians.
- skeptrune 1y ago
  To me, Western ideals are things like freedom of speech, democracy, and individual rights. I hear you though.
  - churchill 1y ago
    >freedom of speech, democracy, and individual rights For those within the imperial core. War, death, sanctions, and dilution of wealth for everyone outside it/whoever attempts to disagree.
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    their might be ideals but in the US of A neither exists anymore...
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delta_p_delta_x 1y ago
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- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
  This still encapsulates western ideals. ICE is just grabbing people who look brown off the streets.
supportengineer 1y ago
>> I value Western ideals Somehow we ended up with Trump. Whatever system that brings you a Trump is a bad system.
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tokioyoyo 1y ago
Western ideals will be less supported every year, if they don’t find a way to prove that they’re actually better. Right now, they’re not proving themselves, as people are just not seeing progress in terms of QoL in their daily lives. There were big jumps every decade, however an average 30 year old hasn’t felt much in the past 10-15 years. Things just feel like they’re same or worse than before, and there’s no sign of improvement while everyone is slowly getting angry and finding a scapegoat.
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>Deliver growth, maintain order, forget the voting. It's spreading. I think it's mostly this that makes me uncomfortable. I value Western ideals and am hopeful that they continue to spread.

churchill 1y ago

The purpose of a thing is what it does. If Western ideals condone and actively fund atrocities like what's happening in Gaza, while failing to match the infrastructural pace of auth. regimes like China, it's only logical that people will gravitate towards the model that works. For instance, California's Intercity High-Speed Rail Commission was created by the California legislature in 1993 (before my parents got married) to develop a plan that was to begin construction in 2000. 32 years later, it's still not done, yet China has built nearly 50,000 km of HSR in less than 20 years. The differences are as blatant as that between oranges and orangutans.

kelipso 1y ago

What does Western ideals even mean today? Only lesson I've learned about those ideals over the last 24 years is that it means killing millions of civilians.

skeptrune 1y ago
To me, Western ideals are things like freedom of speech, democracy, and individual rights. I hear you though.
- churchill 1y ago
  >freedom of speech, democracy, and individual rights For those within the imperial core. War, death, sanctions, and dilution of wealth for everyone outside it/whoever attempts to disagree.
- bdangubic 1y ago
  their might be ideals but in the US of A neither exists anymore...
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delta_p_delta_x 1y ago

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ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
This still encapsulates western ideals. ICE is just grabbing people who look brown off the streets.

supportengineer 1y ago

>> I value Western ideals Somehow we ended up with Trump. Whatever system that brings you a Trump is a bad system.

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tokioyoyo 1y ago

Western ideals will be less supported every year, if they don’t find a way to prove that they’re actually better. Right now, they’re not proving themselves, as people are just not seeing progress in terms of QoL in their daily lives. There were big jumps every decade, however an average 30 year old hasn’t felt much in the past 10-15 years. Things just feel like they’re same or worse than before, and there’s no sign of improvement while everyone is slowly getting angry and finding a scapegoat.

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