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Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

52 points by meetpateltech 1y ago

owebboy 1y ago
eek. opt-in default. 5 year retention. i knew that something like this was coming, but it's a hard pill to swallow
- croes 1y ago
  Opt-out default
dpcx 1y ago
I don't love that this is opt-in by default, but I'm happy that they're at least offering an opt-out.
- jkaplowitz 1y ago
  I agree with everything you’ve said, but also am happy that they’re forcing users both new and existing to make a choice to continue using Claude under the new terms, rather than silently starting to train for existing users who take no action. Like you, I would have preferred that the UI for the choice didn’t make opt-in the default. But at least, this is one of the rare times where a US company isn’t simply assuming or circumventing consent from existing users in countries without EU-style privacy laws who ignore the advance notification. So thank you Anthropic for that form of respect.
- roughly 1y ago
  I dunno, I feel like we’ve seen this play often enough - “option to opt-out” is absolutely going to be the first feature slated for elimination on the product roadmap - “after all, only 5% of customers are using it.”
- croes 1y ago
  It's opt-out, so it's in by default. Opt-in would mean it's out by default and would be a good thing.
- ptx 1y ago
  The terms "opt-in" and "opt-out" indicate what the default is, so "... by default" is redundant. "Opt-in" means that you can opt (choose) to be in while the default is out. In this case, since the default is in unless you opt out, it's opt-out.
- esbranson 1y ago
  The terms say it is opt-out not opt-in, despite the word play. > We may use Materials ... unless you opt out of training through your account settings. [1] https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/commit/d8d25b3cb0d2f407bab36bf11fbb44cca1bcdb94 https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/commit/d8...
WaxProlix 1y ago
At least in the Settings pane, the slider is kinda ambiguous as to whether you're opted in or not. https://postimg.cc/2V7mM77C https://postimg.cc/2V7mM77C vs https://postimg.cc/1nF1HGzh https://postimg.cc/1nF1HGzh
- 4b11b4 1y ago
  Thought so too, I assume it was checked by default, so it hit it once
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  How is it that in 2025 UI is worse than what we had in Windows 98? A checkbox would be unambiguous here.
lostmsu 1y ago
Were they not using the data from Claude Code for training before this change? After this change, will they not train on my code if I switch this off (Claude Pro sub)?
- jkaplowitz 1y ago
  From their FAQ at the bottom of the linked page: “Previous chats with no additional activity will not be used for model training.” So, I guess they weren’t. You can switch off and keep that the case.
lenerdenator 1y ago
I mean, it's great that it's at least got an opt-out, but the whole appeal for me of Anthropic and giving them money was they explicitly didn't do anything with your data, or that was the impression I had. When you see this kind of thing it makes you wonder what else they'll try to do to get around your opt-out.
- croes 1y ago
  Everything data related should be opt-in otherwise they just try to sneak it in
jimmont 1y ago
For those that use AI/LLM's that retrain on your input, I assume you realize this commoditizes your intellectual work? And effectively makes use of it like they already used copyrighted intellectual property. This is effectively the same as the commons appropriations made for railroad development, reinterpreting fair use, etc.
bloomca 1y ago
I don't understand why would you opt in to share your data. Is it because you believe that it would help to improve the model and you would benefit from it? Or something altruistic?
- jimmont 1y ago
  I think it's just general lack of awareness of the effect, or in many instances having alternate economic incentives, like academics who want to commoditize their intellectual outputs to all available distribution channels. Tyler Cowen for example. The AI companies are in a race to the bottom.
- Juminuvi 1y ago
  I always assumed the folks who intentionally do this either work for the company, are associated with the company, or are in some way part of q/a pilot user group.
- poly2it 1y ago
  I'd assume the layman user already suffering from cookie pop-up fatigue won't pay much attention to these privacy toggles.
- croes 1y ago
  It's opt-out. So if you missed that change you share your data without knowing it.
LocalH 1y ago
"Accept" or "Not Now". Weasel words that mean they'll spam you about it again at some point.
adubashi 1y ago
5 year retention is nuts. Amazon’s for AWS is 30 days.
esbranson 1y ago
TOSBack.org, supported by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, lists changes in terms and policies sequentially.[1][2] [1] https://opentermsarchive.org/en/collections/genai/ https://opentermsarchive.org/en/collections/genai/ [2] https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/tree/main/Claude.ai https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/tree/main...

52 points by meetpateltech 1y ago

owebboy 1y ago

eek. opt-in default. 5 year retention. i knew that something like this was coming, but it's a hard pill to swallow

croes 1y ago
Opt-out default

dpcx 1y ago

I don't love that this is opt-in by default, but I'm happy that they're at least offering an opt-out.

jkaplowitz 1y ago
I agree with everything you’ve said, but also am happy that they’re forcing users both new and existing to make a choice to continue using Claude under the new terms, rather than silently starting to train for existing users who take no action. Like you, I would have preferred that the UI for the choice didn’t make opt-in the default. But at least, this is one of the rare times where a US company isn’t simply assuming or circumventing consent from existing users in countries without EU-style privacy laws who ignore the advance notification. So thank you Anthropic for that form of respect.
roughly 1y ago
I dunno, I feel like we’ve seen this play often enough - “option to opt-out” is absolutely going to be the first feature slated for elimination on the product roadmap - “after all, only 5% of customers are using it.”
croes 1y ago
It's opt-out, so it's in by default. Opt-in would mean it's out by default and would be a good thing.
ptx 1y ago
The terms "opt-in" and "opt-out" indicate what the default is, so "... by default" is redundant. "Opt-in" means that you can opt (choose) to be in while the default is out. In this case, since the default is in unless you opt out, it's opt-out.
esbranson 1y ago
The terms say it is opt-out not opt-in, despite the word play. > We may use Materials ... unless you opt out of training through your account settings. [1] https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/commit/d8d25b3cb0d2f407bab36bf11fbb44cca1bcdb94 https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/commit/d8...

WaxProlix 1y ago

At least in the Settings pane, the slider is kinda ambiguous as to whether you're opted in or not. https://postimg.cc/2V7mM77C https://postimg.cc/2V7mM77C vs https://postimg.cc/1nF1HGzh https://postimg.cc/1nF1HGzh

4b11b4 1y ago
Thought so too, I assume it was checked by default, so it hit it once
AlexandrB 1y ago
How is it that in 2025 UI is worse than what we had in Windows 98? A checkbox would be unambiguous here.

lostmsu 1y ago

Were they not using the data from Claude Code for training before this change? After this change, will they not train on my code if I switch this off (Claude Pro sub)?

jkaplowitz 1y ago
From their FAQ at the bottom of the linked page: “Previous chats with no additional activity will not be used for model training.” So, I guess they weren’t. You can switch off and keep that the case.

lenerdenator 1y ago

I mean, it's great that it's at least got an opt-out, but the whole appeal for me of Anthropic and giving them money was they explicitly didn't do anything with your data, or that was the impression I had. When you see this kind of thing it makes you wonder what else they'll try to do to get around your opt-out.

croes 1y ago
Everything data related should be opt-in otherwise they just try to sneak it in

jimmont 1y ago

For those that use AI/LLM's that retrain on your input, I assume you realize this commoditizes your intellectual work? And effectively makes use of it like they already used copyrighted intellectual property. This is effectively the same as the commons appropriations made for railroad development, reinterpreting fair use, etc.

bloomca 1y ago

I don't understand why would you opt in to share your data. Is it because you believe that it would help to improve the model and you would benefit from it? Or something altruistic?

jimmont 1y ago
I think it's just general lack of awareness of the effect, or in many instances having alternate economic incentives, like academics who want to commoditize their intellectual outputs to all available distribution channels. Tyler Cowen for example. The AI companies are in a race to the bottom.
Juminuvi 1y ago
I always assumed the folks who intentionally do this either work for the company, are associated with the company, or are in some way part of q/a pilot user group.
poly2it 1y ago
I'd assume the layman user already suffering from cookie pop-up fatigue won't pay much attention to these privacy toggles.
croes 1y ago
It's opt-out. So if you missed that change you share your data without knowing it.

LocalH 1y ago

"Accept" or "Not Now". Weasel words that mean they'll spam you about it again at some point.

adubashi 1y ago

5 year retention is nuts. Amazon’s for AWS is 30 days.

esbranson 1y ago

TOSBack.org, supported by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, lists changes in terms and policies sequentially.[1][2] [1] https://opentermsarchive.org/en/collections/genai/ https://opentermsarchive.org/en/collections/genai/ [2] https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/tree/main/Claude.ai https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/GenAI-versions/tree/main...