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Unions won’t solve this for you. If a company just decides they have enough automation to reduce union workforce it can happen the next time contracts get negot

Unions won’t solve this for you. If a company just decides they have enough automation to reduce union workforce it can happen the next time contracts get negotiated. Either way, there are layoff provisions with union agreements.

est31 1y ago
In Hollywood, union bargaining bought some time at least. Unions did mandate limits on the use of AI for a lot of the creation process. AI is still used in Hollywood but nobody is proud of it. No movie director goes around quoting percentages of how many scenes were augmented by AI or how many lines in the script were written by ChatGPT.
jszymborski 1y ago
Tell that to dock workers, who have successfully delayed the automation of ports to the extent we see them automated in e.g. the PRC [0]. Hell, they're even (successfully) pushing back against automated gates! [1] [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/dock-workers-strike-automation-nightcap/ https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/dock-workers-strike-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2024/10/03/nx-s1-5135597/striking-dockworkers-want-a-complete-ban-on-automation https://www.npr.org/2024/10/03/nx-s1-5135597/striking-dockwo...
- MangoCoffee 1y ago
  Isn't that just delaying the inevitable? Yangshan Deep-Water Port in Shanghai is one of the most automated ports. Considering there are more people in China than in the US, China still automated their port.
  - jszymborski 1y ago
    I'm not making a value judgment on the specific case of dock workers, I'm rather saying that unions can and do prevent automation. If Software Devs had unionized earlier, a lot of positions would probably still be around.
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- Seattle3503 1y ago
  The dock owner may not have a lot of alternatives to negotiating with the union. If devs unionize, the work can move.

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Unions won’t solve this for you. If a company just decides they have enough automation to reduce union workforce it can happen the next time contracts get negot

by orochimaaru 1y ago

est31 1y ago
In Hollywood, union bargaining bought some time at least. Unions did mandate limits on the use of AI for a lot of the creation process. AI is still used in Hollywood but nobody is proud of it. No movie director goes around quoting percentages of how many scenes were augmented by AI or how many lines in the script were written by ChatGPT.
jszymborski 1y ago
Tell that to dock workers, who have successfully delayed the automation of ports to the extent we see them automated in e.g. the PRC [0]. Hell, they're even (successfully) pushing back against automated gates! [1] [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/dock-workers-strike-automation-nightcap/ https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/dock-workers-strike-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2024/10/03/nx-s1-5135597/striking-dockworkers-want-a-complete-ban-on-automation https://www.npr.org/2024/10/03/nx-s1-5135597/striking-dockwo...
- MangoCoffee 1y ago
  Isn't that just delaying the inevitable? Yangshan Deep-Water Port in Shanghai is one of the most automated ports. Considering there are more people in China than in the US, China still automated their port.
  - jszymborski 1y ago
    I'm not making a value judgment on the specific case of dock workers, I'm rather saying that unions can and do prevent automation. If Software Devs had unionized earlier, a lot of positions would probably still be around.
- deleted 1y ago
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- Seattle3503 1y ago
  The dock owner may not have a lot of alternatives to negotiating with the union. If devs unionize, the work can move.