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> The more modern equivalent would be 24h (the tv series), which basically shoved to the public the notion that torturing and going extra-legal ways was somethi

> The more modern equivalent would be 24h (the tv series), which basically shoved to the public the notion that torturing and going extra-legal ways was something heroes had to do. 24 was developed before 9/11. The pilot was filmed in March 2001 and production started July. It was just a freak coincidence that it was released around the same time as 9/11. Moreover, heroes going outside the rules is a longstanding trope in American film. Most American law enforcement movies in the 1970s-early 2000s portrayed “the system” as holding back the good guys with bureaucracy and rules. Dirty Harry was 1971. It’s just because we’re Americans, not Europeans.

makeitdouble 1y ago
I didn't have 9/11 in mind regarding this, so I guess we're in agreement ? > It’s just because we’re Americans This is a specific political ideology that I don't think defines the country. In theory, in 20 years the USA could have a completely different political landscape.
- rayiner 1y ago
  > didn't have 9/11 in mind regarding this, so I guess we're in agreement ? 9/11 was when the “War on Terror” started. > This is a specific political ideology that I don't think defines the country. But it’s not a “specific political ideology.” My friends and I loved “24” in college and most of us had supported Al Gore. “Break the rules to get the bad guys” is just Americanism.
  - makeitdouble 1y ago
    > War on Terror This was just slapping a name and an official policy on something that has been going on for way longer. In a way, 9/11 was the point where it could be put as is on the public place and be accepted politically ? > Break the rules to get the bad guys I'd offer you "agencies that have their own extra-legal rules and only need some higher up's approval" as a better description. The CIA doing it's own drug trafficking to balance its sheets would be a real life example of this.

makeitdouble 1y ago

I didn't have 9/11 in mind regarding this, so I guess we're in agreement ? > It’s just because we’re Americans This is a specific political ideology that I don't think defines the country. In theory, in 20 years the USA could have a completely different political landscape.

rayiner 1y ago
> didn't have 9/11 in mind regarding this, so I guess we're in agreement ? 9/11 was when the “War on Terror” started. > This is a specific political ideology that I don't think defines the country. But it’s not a “specific political ideology.” My friends and I loved “24” in college and most of us had supported Al Gore. “Break the rules to get the bad guys” is just Americanism.
- makeitdouble 1y ago
  > War on Terror This was just slapping a name and an official policy on something that has been going on for way longer. In a way, 9/11 was the point where it could be put as is on the public place and be accepted politically ? > Break the rules to get the bad guys I'd offer you "agencies that have their own extra-legal rules and only need some higher up's approval" as a better description. The CIA doing it's own drug trafficking to balance its sheets would be a real life example of this.