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That's what I tell diabetic patients struggling to afford insulin. "Hey that's the price, that's just how it is, if you don't like it, don't buy it"

kleiba 1y ago
Please, let's stay real. How is comparing a vital drug even remotely comparable to scientific papers?
- megaloblasto 1y ago
  $20,000 annually to keep up on the latest science makes it prohibitively expensive for most of the world to do meaningful science. If only the rich can do science then we miss out on crucial scientific advancements. Less scientific advancements means less people get life saving medicines, less environmental disasters are uncovered and dealt with. Plus, I was just using your own logic of replacing "paper" with anything else that I might consume in my everyday life.
  - kleiba 1y ago
    I worked in research for decades - no idea where you get that $20,000 number from. Also, I cannot follow this argument of "only the rich can do science", this seems to bear any relation to reality.
    - megaloblasto 1y ago
      The math for the $20,000 is in my first post. $60 a paper times 365 days a year is $21,900 and I rounded down. I don't have an example of a $60 paper (I don't keep a list) but below is a $42 paper and a $35 paper that I came across very recently. https://library.seg.org/doi/epub/10.1190/geo2023-0525.1 https://library.seg.org/doi/epub/10.1190/geo2023-0525.1 https://www.dl.begellhouse.com/journals/52034eb04b657aea,44206a5570d76285,0544dca70a1120e3.html?sgstd=1 https://www.dl.begellhouse.com/journals/52034eb04b657aea,442... This is prohibitively expensive for the majority of the world. Remember that the global average annual salary is around $18,000 (https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17512040 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17512040). These people cannot access science that is behind a paywall. The fact that they cannot is a failure. Whether its a moral failure, or an economic or a societal one, I'm not sure, but I do believe that providing free access to scientific advancements it the right thing to do.
- ItCouldBeWorse 1y ago
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- mistercheph 1y ago
  You’re right, information is completely worthless, let’s turn off the state-backed monopoly on it!

kleiba 1y ago

Please, let's stay real. How is comparing a vital drug even remotely comparable to scientific papers?

megaloblasto 1y ago
$20,000 annually to keep up on the latest science makes it prohibitively expensive for most of the world to do meaningful science. If only the rich can do science then we miss out on crucial scientific advancements. Less scientific advancements means less people get life saving medicines, less environmental disasters are uncovered and dealt with. Plus, I was just using your own logic of replacing "paper" with anything else that I might consume in my everyday life.
- kleiba 1y ago
  I worked in research for decades - no idea where you get that $20,000 number from. Also, I cannot follow this argument of "only the rich can do science", this seems to bear any relation to reality.
  - megaloblasto 1y ago
    The math for the $20,000 is in my first post. $60 a paper times 365 days a year is $21,900 and I rounded down. I don't have an example of a $60 paper (I don't keep a list) but below is a $42 paper and a $35 paper that I came across very recently. https://library.seg.org/doi/epub/10.1190/geo2023-0525.1 https://library.seg.org/doi/epub/10.1190/geo2023-0525.1 https://www.dl.begellhouse.com/journals/52034eb04b657aea,44206a5570d76285,0544dca70a1120e3.html?sgstd=1 https://www.dl.begellhouse.com/journals/52034eb04b657aea,442... This is prohibitively expensive for the majority of the world. Remember that the global average annual salary is around $18,000 (https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17512040 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17512040). These people cannot access science that is behind a paywall. The fact that they cannot is a failure. Whether its a moral failure, or an economic or a societal one, I'm not sure, but I do believe that providing free access to scientific advancements it the right thing to do.
ItCouldBeWorse 1y ago
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mistercheph 1y ago
You’re right, information is completely worthless, let’s turn off the state-backed monopoly on it!