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Fossjobs: A job board for Free and Open Source jobs

169 points by rendx 1y ago

rendx 1y ago
On Mastodon: https://floss.social/@fossjobs https://floss.social/@fossjobs
eu 1y ago
there aren’t many such jobs
- ethanwillis 1y ago
  There's definitely a lot more I think but they just don't all get posted there. I know I've seen various FOSS jobs but they get posted or talked about in IRC, mailing lists for a specific project, etc. But you're right to say there aren't a ton relative to non-FOSS jobs.
  - pabs3 1y ago
    There are definitely a lot from big companies like Intel/AMD/RedHat, and some medium companies like Canonical. More on the FOSSjobs wiki. https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources
fuzzy_biscuit 1y ago
That got into 2024 postings fairly quickly. I don't get the sense that the data is very fresh or expansive.
- em-bee 1y ago
  it is fresh, but it is certainly not expansive. there aren't many businesses that work with and produce FOSS exclusively. and for all others it would be hard to guarantee that you are going to work on FOSS most or all of the time, so i'd think that not to many jobs even qualify
- 47282847 1y ago
  Feel free to crosspost if you come across interesting ones!
- troyvit 1y ago
  I noticed the lack of freshness too, but I look forward to mining it for the organizations and then visiting their jobs pages directly to see what's going on.
elAhmo 1y ago
It is ridiculous to post a jobs listing side without salaries or salary ranges listed. As people who want to work we should just reject using pages like this, as this favours only employers.
- 7bit 1y ago
  Unfortunately, that's normal in Germany and many listing are German. Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months.
  - sandreas 1y ago
    > Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months could you elaborate?
    - mhitza 1y ago
      This EU directive will kick in which mandates (among other things) transparency for salaries https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency...
staticelf 1y ago
"Senior Software Engineer (all genders) - Wikibase Suite" wtf do they mean by "all genders"? Just write Senior Software Engineer, that is genderless by default?
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- tom_ 1y ago
  The term is a gendered one in German. See also, e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14462318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14462318
  - staticelf 1y ago
    [flagged]
- trenchpilgrim 1y ago
  It's a weird direct translation from German. The word for an SWE is gendered, but the postings clarify that the job is open to everyone.
- general1726 1y ago
  English is actually a weird language without genders in nouns. I.e. in Slavic languages you can say "male software engineer" with word "vyvojar" and "female software engineer" with a word "vyvojarka" and then lot of grammar is built atop of this fact. Job listing are then trying to use something like "vyvojar/ka" to signify that both genders are sought for, but there is nothing like that in English, so you will get translation as "software engineer (all genders)" instead of using just "software engineer"
  - jamesnorden 1y ago
    fe/male perhaps
- bigdickfounder 1y ago
ulfw 1y ago
Who doesn't want a Free Job?!
pabs3 1y ago
More resources for open source jobs on the FOSSjobs wiki: https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources
jpizagno 1y ago
This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.
  - syntonym2 1y ago
    In german most job titles can either be masculine or feminine, and the masculine case is chosen "by default". Most job advertisements clarify that persons of all gender are welcome to apply. As the job advertisement is in english, it doesn't really make sense here.
    - dotancohen 1y ago
      In most languages, the male gender form is used also as the unknown gender. Not the default gender, but the unknown or unspecified gender. The distinction being that when the male gender form is encountered, it could also be an unknown or unspecified gender. For another nice bit of related trivia, in Arabic the female gender form is also the plural gender form.
  - ahoka 1y ago
    They are just stupid, makes no sense in English to add that. In German it's something like: "Fireman wanted (not just men)"
  - rwl 1y ago
    Yes, that's what's going on: job titles are typically gendered in German, which leads to job ads being written in an awkward way to express gender neutrality. For example, "engineer" has both a masculine form "Ingenieur" and a feminine form "Ingenieurin", so a job ad might say something like "Ingenieur*in (m/w/d)" to mean "an engineer of any gender".
ramon156 1y ago
Is there something similar that's just about contributing to companies' open source software? I like helping out projects while also gaining some experience, but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue. I've contributed to Tweede Golf before and that was a very pleasant experience, I can't imagine they're in the minority here.
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
  > but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue. A what issue?
crystal_revenge 1y ago
Happy to see that this lists jobs that seem to be truly dedicated to FOSS (even if the listings are limited). One word of caution (from personal experience) to anyone dreaming of getting paid to work on OSS: be very, very skeptical of any VC funded startup whose flagship "product" is OSS. Regardless of the public messaging, you'll likely see: resources continually pulled, features intentionally withheld to make the private offering more competitive, community needs de-prioritized, etc. On top of that, "bait-and-switch" job offers were very common in my experience; promises of living the dream getting paid to work on OSS only to be transferred to an internal, commercial team a week later. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but, especially for less well established companies in the OSS space, caution is advised.
- SilentM68 1y ago
  VC-Funded startups look a lot like post-secondary education where funding is a continuous issue. Been like that for many decades, unfortunately.
  - hinkley 1y ago
    A lot of us think it’s endemic to VC. But how many other funding models are extant these days?
elestor 1y ago
You seem to work for free too
- rendx 1y ago
  True!
ElijahLynn 1y ago
LOVE THIS!!! It's very difficult to find open source jobs otherwise. An improvement I'd like to see to Fossjobs.net is a field for "open communication" too. Sometimes open source software doesn't actually imply open source communication or development in the open. AKA Android. And it would be nice to be able to see if the company or organization embraces open communication and or open development.

169 points by rendx 1y ago

rendx 1y ago

On Mastodon: https://floss.social/@fossjobs https://floss.social/@fossjobs

eu 1y ago

there aren’t many such jobs

ethanwillis 1y ago
There's definitely a lot more I think but they just don't all get posted there. I know I've seen various FOSS jobs but they get posted or talked about in IRC, mailing lists for a specific project, etc. But you're right to say there aren't a ton relative to non-FOSS jobs.
- pabs3 1y ago
  There are definitely a lot from big companies like Intel/AMD/RedHat, and some medium companies like Canonical. More on the FOSSjobs wiki. https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources

fuzzy_biscuit 1y ago

That got into 2024 postings fairly quickly. I don't get the sense that the data is very fresh or expansive.

em-bee 1y ago
it is fresh, but it is certainly not expansive. there aren't many businesses that work with and produce FOSS exclusively. and for all others it would be hard to guarantee that you are going to work on FOSS most or all of the time, so i'd think that not to many jobs even qualify
47282847 1y ago
Feel free to crosspost if you come across interesting ones!
troyvit 1y ago
I noticed the lack of freshness too, but I look forward to mining it for the organizations and then visiting their jobs pages directly to see what's going on.

elAhmo 1y ago

It is ridiculous to post a jobs listing side without salaries or salary ranges listed. As people who want to work we should just reject using pages like this, as this favours only employers.

7bit 1y ago
Unfortunately, that's normal in Germany and many listing are German. Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months.
- sandreas 1y ago
  > Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months could you elaborate?
  - mhitza 1y ago
    This EU directive will kick in which mandates (among other things) transparency for salaries https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency...

staticelf 1y ago

"Senior Software Engineer (all genders) - Wikibase Suite" wtf do they mean by "all genders"? Just write Senior Software Engineer, that is genderless by default?

deleted 1y ago
[deleted]
tom_ 1y ago
The term is a gendered one in German. See also, e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14462318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14462318
- staticelf 1y ago
  [flagged]
trenchpilgrim 1y ago
It's a weird direct translation from German. The word for an SWE is gendered, but the postings clarify that the job is open to everyone.
general1726 1y ago
English is actually a weird language without genders in nouns. I.e. in Slavic languages you can say "male software engineer" with word "vyvojar" and "female software engineer" with a word "vyvojarka" and then lot of grammar is built atop of this fact. Job listing are then trying to use something like "vyvojar/ka" to signify that both genders are sought for, but there is nothing like that in English, so you will get translation as "software engineer (all genders)" instead of using just "software engineer"
- jamesnorden 1y ago
  fe/male perhaps
bigdickfounder 1y ago

ulfw 1y ago

Who doesn't want a Free Job?!

pabs3 1y ago

More resources for open source jobs on the FOSSjobs wiki: https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources

jpizagno 1y ago

This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.

giancarlostoro 1y ago
I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.
- syntonym2 1y ago
  In german most job titles can either be masculine or feminine, and the masculine case is chosen "by default". Most job advertisements clarify that persons of all gender are welcome to apply. As the job advertisement is in english, it doesn't really make sense here.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    In most languages, the male gender form is used also as the unknown gender. Not the default gender, but the unknown or unspecified gender. The distinction being that when the male gender form is encountered, it could also be an unknown or unspecified gender. For another nice bit of related trivia, in Arabic the female gender form is also the plural gender form.
- ahoka 1y ago
  They are just stupid, makes no sense in English to add that. In German it's something like: "Fireman wanted (not just men)"
- rwl 1y ago
  Yes, that's what's going on: job titles are typically gendered in German, which leads to job ads being written in an awkward way to express gender neutrality. For example, "engineer" has both a masculine form "Ingenieur" and a feminine form "Ingenieurin", so a job ad might say something like "Ingenieur*in (m/w/d)" to mean "an engineer of any gender".

ramon156 1y ago

Is there something similar that's just about contributing to companies' open source software? I like helping out projects while also gaining some experience, but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue. I've contributed to Tweede Golf before and that was a very pleasant experience, I can't imagine they're in the minority here.

ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
> but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue. A what issue?

crystal_revenge 1y ago

Happy to see that this lists jobs that seem to be truly dedicated to FOSS (even if the listings are limited). One word of caution (from personal experience) to anyone dreaming of getting paid to work on OSS: be very, very skeptical of any VC funded startup whose flagship "product" is OSS. Regardless of the public messaging, you'll likely see: resources continually pulled, features intentionally withheld to make the private offering more competitive, community needs de-prioritized, etc. On top of that, "bait-and-switch" job offers were very common in my experience; promises of living the dream getting paid to work on OSS only to be transferred to an internal, commercial team a week later. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but, especially for less well established companies in the OSS space, caution is advised.

SilentM68 1y ago
VC-Funded startups look a lot like post-secondary education where funding is a continuous issue. Been like that for many decades, unfortunately.
- hinkley 1y ago
  A lot of us think it’s endemic to VC. But how many other funding models are extant these days?

elestor 1y ago

You seem to work for free too

rendx 1y ago
True!

ElijahLynn 1y ago

LOVE THIS!!! It's very difficult to find open source jobs otherwise. An improvement I'd like to see to Fossjobs.net is a field for "open communication" too. Sometimes open source software doesn't actually imply open source communication or development in the open. AKA Android. And it would be nice to be able to see if the company or organization embraces open communication and or open development.