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I had a team of developers and essentially told them all 'either learn to code with Claude' or you're out. What I found is the more junior developers started 'v

I had a team of developers and essentially told them all 'either learn to code with Claude' or you're out. What I found is the more junior developers started 'vibe coding' resulting in a net decrease in performance, where the more senior ones used it to accelerate their speed cautiously and selectively. My conclusion was senior engineers were better because they were used to managing developers and taking on more managerial tasks building 'LLM Soft Skills' and also frankly fixing mistakes, the junior developers were pressured for speed and had their managers to correct them. Within 12 months, despite extensive attempts, only the mid level team members remained.

bgwalter 1y ago
The senior developers pretended to use Claude Steal to comply with your rude and ignorant request. They are better at programming and the soft skills required to appease an incompetent manager. You just used "AI" to get rid of people you didn't want anyway, but since it was your order it had to be a "success story".
Etheryte 1y ago
This is literally the difference between a junior or senior though? You could've just as well said to go faster or you're out and you would've gotten the same result. LLMs are irrelevant to what you've done here.
tkel 1y ago
maybe they left because they thought you're an idiot
ablation 1y ago
I think they're probably better off without you, given this story.
trod1234 1y ago
The problem with your reasoning is that its discriminatory in the parameters you set. When you set impossible constraints that neglect requirements for sustainability, and tell people to do the impossible, you pigeonhole and sieve only the people you are actually looking for (the ones that can meet that sieve). The lying, and deceit that you do, naturally occur after-the-fact (which blind people don't notice, often making them evil). The danger of most deceit and lying occur where you say something truthful omitting something important that they know, but then later contradict yourself in the outcome. These are called lies of omission. Deceivers and Vipers take full effect of these actions pretending its not them, its the circumstance, but a circumstance they control. Of course the middle team would be the only ones left, after all you tortured your senior team having them baby a LLM driving them to burnout, and the junior team lacked the knowledge that makes the difference between Junior and Mid, to be productive. You set a filter that only your midlevel team could meet, and any conclusions you make will equally conform to your initial decisions in the criteria you set which is you don't want to hire young people, or old people. You want them just right, and there are laws against age discrimination. People have tried to get around these laws for years, and have never had more luck in evading these than now; with the advent of blackbox AI which can obscure these type of decisions through hiding them in the weights. Short term, there will of course be more profit, long-term the lawsuits will get you, and your good character which you thought you had will not be good. Additionally, you have your perfect team left that is wholly dependent on LLM, who won't be able to solve the rare but inevitable problems the senior level people would (before they occur).

bgwalter 1y ago

The senior developers pretended to use Claude Steal to comply with your rude and ignorant request. They are better at programming and the soft skills required to appease an incompetent manager. You just used "AI" to get rid of people you didn't want anyway, but since it was your order it had to be a "success story".

Etheryte 1y ago

This is literally the difference between a junior or senior though? You could've just as well said to go faster or you're out and you would've gotten the same result. LLMs are irrelevant to what you've done here.

tkel 1y ago

maybe they left because they thought you're an idiot

ablation 1y ago

I think they're probably better off without you, given this story.

trod1234 1y ago

The problem with your reasoning is that its discriminatory in the parameters you set. When you set impossible constraints that neglect requirements for sustainability, and tell people to do the impossible, you pigeonhole and sieve only the people you are actually looking for (the ones that can meet that sieve). The lying, and deceit that you do, naturally occur after-the-fact (which blind people don't notice, often making them evil). The danger of most deceit and lying occur where you say something truthful omitting something important that they know, but then later contradict yourself in the outcome. These are called lies of omission. Deceivers and Vipers take full effect of these actions pretending its not them, its the circumstance, but a circumstance they control. Of course the middle team would be the only ones left, after all you tortured your senior team having them baby a LLM driving them to burnout, and the junior team lacked the knowledge that makes the difference between Junior and Mid, to be productive. You set a filter that only your midlevel team could meet, and any conclusions you make will equally conform to your initial decisions in the criteria you set which is you don't want to hire young people, or old people. You want them just right, and there are laws against age discrimination. People have tried to get around these laws for years, and have never had more luck in evading these than now; with the advent of blackbox AI which can obscure these type of decisions through hiding them in the weights. Short term, there will of course be more profit, long-term the lawsuits will get you, and your good character which you thought you had will not be good. Additionally, you have your perfect team left that is wholly dependent on LLM, who won't be able to solve the rare but inevitable problems the senior level people would (before they occur).