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The CDC is and always has been unable to force anyone to get a vaccine. You might be confusing the CDC with your elementary school principal.

wakawaka28 1y ago
The CDC is not blameless when it comes to Biden's failed attempt to force everyone to get vaccinated. They were in fact encouraging it.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  Force?
  - hollerith 1y ago
    Here is what Gemini says: >On August 24, 2021, then-Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin issued a memorandum requiring all U.S. armed forces members to get the COVID-19 vaccine. This policy, which was supported by then-President Joe Biden, led to the discharge of thousands of service members who refused the vaccine. >It's important to note that a dishonorable discharge is a specific type of punishment that can only be issued after a court-martial for serious offenses. While some sources claimed that the Biden administration ordered dishonorable discharges for those who refused the vaccine, this was not the case. The President does not have the authority to issue such an order, and the military services themselves handled disciplinary actions. >The military's COVID-19 vaccine mandate was rescinded in January 2023 after Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act, which directed the Department of Defense to end the mandate.
    - toastercat 1y ago
      So, we moved from: * CDC was forcing everyone to get the vaccine to * Biden failed to force everyone to get the vaccine to * The DOD added COVID-19 vaccines to the Joint Regulation on Immunization and Chemoprophylaxis for the Prevention of Infectious (which already included several mandatory vaccines including for influenza) after the FDA had approved the Pfizer vaccine, mandating military personnel to get the vaccine until 2023. Very interesting that once you unpack an anti-vaxxers alarmist arguments, you're left with a completely different understanding of reality with nuance and all.
      - wakawaka28 1y ago
        You have misrepresented my claims. The CDC and Biden tried to force vaccination. The DOD thing is another, similar issue. The DOD mandate DID get enforced though, and many military personnel left over it or were forced to quit. In the end, I believe they sued and won some compensation as well as got rehired. >Very interesting that once you unpack an anti-vaxxers alarmist arguments, you're left with a completely different understanding of reality with nuance and all. Very interesting that you cannot comprehend the nuance of someone like me who supports reasonable voluntary use of proven safe and effective vaccines, who opposes forcing proven ineffective and experimental vaccine technology on the entire public without reservation, under threat of exile from society. I'm not taking bullshit from big pharma or government so that must make me an anti-vax simpleton, eh? Gtfo
        toastercat 1y ago
        I represented your claims exactly as you presented them. You've moved your original goalposts so much I may as well be replying to a different user. > I'm not taking bullshit from big pharma or government so that must make me an anti-vax simpleton, eh? Gtfo Yes, it is quite clear.
        wakawaka28 1y ago
        You DID reply to a different user, and I replied to your reply to him. FFS...
        toastercat 1y ago
        I represented your claims accurately in the first two bullet points in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45071647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45071647 The first bullet was from your now-deleted/flagged comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45048014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45048014 The second bullet was from your second comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45056521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45056521 And then you moved your goalposts further here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45072189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45072189
- toastercat 1y ago
  Please share with me the article where Biden attempted but failed to literally break into my house and force a vaccine into my and my children's veins while we were sleeping.
  - wakawaka28 1y ago
    Oh no, he didn't push that. He just tried to command all US employers to require vaccination as a condition of employment. That is severely oppressive. I've seen many cases of people being forced to take the vaccine for stupid reasons, despite known risks, and suffering severe consequences such as organ failure or permanent disability. That is what a mandate does. It eliminates any discretion of the individual. If you had covid once then you don't need a vaccine. Natural immunity is better than a vaccine. Vaccines can harm your immune system, especially in excess. You should only get important ones, not every single one out of the hundreds or thousands out there on the market. Your immune system is finite and can be exhausted. By the way, if the vaccine worked, then the people who got it wouldn't have to worry about the people who didn't, right? In fact it is completely opposite. The unvaccinated could get the virus from the vaccinated, who were told (at first) that they were immunized and did not have to take precautions anymore. The whole situation was insulting to our intelligence and a severe attack on our basic human rights. Don't give me some bullshit convoluted argument about potentially improved outcomes for people getting the vaccine. That never was good enough reason to force anyone to get a vaccine, especially under threat of being denied healthcare or employment. I must give the establishment credit. They indoctrinated everyone very well, to the point that even 5 years later many still haven't recognized how badly covid was handled. They even got the ignorant feeling uppity about thinking everyone who is against the way it was handled is anti-vax. I got the stupid vaccine. I stopped getting boosters (like most normal people) when it became clear that the vaccine wasn't working and the virus had mutated to be more harmless than ever. I never got the virus even once but everyone I know who got double boosted and so on did get it, even multiple times (unless they were skipping work).
    - toastercat 1y ago
      Almost everything you said was incorrect. > Don't give me some bullshit convoluted argument about potentially improved outcomes for people getting the vaccine. Ah there it is. See, it doesn't matter what numbers or sources I cite to you because it'll all just be bullshit in your eyes. You've already made up your mind and nothing can convince you otherwise. > I stopped getting boosters (like most normal people) when it became clear that the vaccine wasn't working and the virus had mutated to be more harmless than ever. I never got the virus even once but everyone I know who got double boosted and so on did get it, even multiple times (unless they were skipping work). This is Facebook uncle-posting tier.

wakawaka28 1y ago

The CDC is not blameless when it comes to Biden's failed attempt to force everyone to get vaccinated. They were in fact encouraging it.

cosmicgadget 1y ago
Force?
- hollerith 1y ago
  Here is what Gemini says: >On August 24, 2021, then-Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin issued a memorandum requiring all U.S. armed forces members to get the COVID-19 vaccine. This policy, which was supported by then-President Joe Biden, led to the discharge of thousands of service members who refused the vaccine. >It's important to note that a dishonorable discharge is a specific type of punishment that can only be issued after a court-martial for serious offenses. While some sources claimed that the Biden administration ordered dishonorable discharges for those who refused the vaccine, this was not the case. The President does not have the authority to issue such an order, and the military services themselves handled disciplinary actions. >The military's COVID-19 vaccine mandate was rescinded in January 2023 after Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act, which directed the Department of Defense to end the mandate.
  - toastercat 1y ago
    So, we moved from: * CDC was forcing everyone to get the vaccine to * Biden failed to force everyone to get the vaccine to * The DOD added COVID-19 vaccines to the Joint Regulation on Immunization and Chemoprophylaxis for the Prevention of Infectious (which already included several mandatory vaccines including for influenza) after the FDA had approved the Pfizer vaccine, mandating military personnel to get the vaccine until 2023. Very interesting that once you unpack an anti-vaxxers alarmist arguments, you're left with a completely different understanding of reality with nuance and all.
    - wakawaka28 1y ago
      You have misrepresented my claims. The CDC and Biden tried to force vaccination. The DOD thing is another, similar issue. The DOD mandate DID get enforced though, and many military personnel left over it or were forced to quit. In the end, I believe they sued and won some compensation as well as got rehired. >Very interesting that once you unpack an anti-vaxxers alarmist arguments, you're left with a completely different understanding of reality with nuance and all. Very interesting that you cannot comprehend the nuance of someone like me who supports reasonable voluntary use of proven safe and effective vaccines, who opposes forcing proven ineffective and experimental vaccine technology on the entire public without reservation, under threat of exile from society. I'm not taking bullshit from big pharma or government so that must make me an anti-vax simpleton, eh? Gtfo
      - toastercat 1y ago
        I represented your claims exactly as you presented them. You've moved your original goalposts so much I may as well be replying to a different user. > I'm not taking bullshit from big pharma or government so that must make me an anti-vax simpleton, eh? Gtfo Yes, it is quite clear.
        wakawaka28 1y ago
        You DID reply to a different user, and I replied to your reply to him. FFS...
        toastercat 1y ago
        I represented your claims accurately in the first two bullet points in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45071647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45071647 The first bullet was from your now-deleted/flagged comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45048014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45048014 The second bullet was from your second comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45056521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45056521 And then you moved your goalposts further here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45072189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45072189
toastercat 1y ago
Please share with me the article where Biden attempted but failed to literally break into my house and force a vaccine into my and my children's veins while we were sleeping.
- wakawaka28 1y ago
  Oh no, he didn't push that. He just tried to command all US employers to require vaccination as a condition of employment. That is severely oppressive. I've seen many cases of people being forced to take the vaccine for stupid reasons, despite known risks, and suffering severe consequences such as organ failure or permanent disability. That is what a mandate does. It eliminates any discretion of the individual. If you had covid once then you don't need a vaccine. Natural immunity is better than a vaccine. Vaccines can harm your immune system, especially in excess. You should only get important ones, not every single one out of the hundreds or thousands out there on the market. Your immune system is finite and can be exhausted. By the way, if the vaccine worked, then the people who got it wouldn't have to worry about the people who didn't, right? In fact it is completely opposite. The unvaccinated could get the virus from the vaccinated, who were told (at first) that they were immunized and did not have to take precautions anymore. The whole situation was insulting to our intelligence and a severe attack on our basic human rights. Don't give me some bullshit convoluted argument about potentially improved outcomes for people getting the vaccine. That never was good enough reason to force anyone to get a vaccine, especially under threat of being denied healthcare or employment. I must give the establishment credit. They indoctrinated everyone very well, to the point that even 5 years later many still haven't recognized how badly covid was handled. They even got the ignorant feeling uppity about thinking everyone who is against the way it was handled is anti-vax. I got the stupid vaccine. I stopped getting boosters (like most normal people) when it became clear that the vaccine wasn't working and the virus had mutated to be more harmless than ever. I never got the virus even once but everyone I know who got double boosted and so on did get it, even multiple times (unless they were skipping work).
  - toastercat 1y ago
    Almost everything you said was incorrect. > Don't give me some bullshit convoluted argument about potentially improved outcomes for people getting the vaccine. Ah there it is. See, it doesn't matter what numbers or sources I cite to you because it'll all just be bullshit in your eyes. You've already made up your mind and nothing can convince you otherwise. > I stopped getting boosters (like most normal people) when it became clear that the vaccine wasn't working and the virus had mutated to be more harmless than ever. I never got the virus even once but everyone I know who got double boosted and so on did get it, even multiple times (unless they were skipping work). This is Facebook uncle-posting tier.