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The public compares price tag first, and often only because its a LUXURY to factor in anything else. If they could afford and they saw some higher quality in it
by donkeybeer 1y ago
The public compares price tag first, and often only because its a LUXURY to factor in anything else. If they could afford and they saw some higher quality in it, they would have already bought something more expensive. Which obviously artificially inflating the price of the exact same item via tariffs doesn't suddenly make the "quality" part of the equation any different, so why bother with the same item but more expensive.
- ericmay 1y ago> so why bother with the same item but more expensive. It's not the same item, that's why. You're still not understanding how products are priced, nor are you accounting for negative externalities (or positive ones) that factor into that price. Prices aren't being artificially inflated because of tariffs any more than they are artificially lower because of a certain country's monetary policy or wage gaps or whatever.
- donkeybeer 1y agoIts the exact same item on the shelf. It didn't change at all. The only thing changed was the government came and artificially jacked its expenses up.
- ericmay 1y agoThe government that the item comes from also artificially made the price lower so it just evens out.
- donkeybeer 1y agoAre you sure they did? You have to give a precise list of those items which have been artificially cheapened by the other govts before you impose tariffs then. Obviously you can't believe the USA is the peak at every possible sector. Or do you really believe that another country being better at something must mean they are cheating? Give me the list or stop the tariff bs. Sometimes, there is no deeper explanation for this nonsense than being a sore loser at someone else being better than you at something.
- ericmay 1y agoI don’t care if “other country” can make t-shirts better than we can. I care that we make them with our labor and keep our money here instead of going into debt and losing jobs. China for example doesn’t allow US social media companies. There you go. There’s one item which is all we need, therefore tariffs against China are justified until they open their markets to free competition from the US. Hell, just this week the CCP banned Chinese companies from buying Nvidia chips. (I’m picking on China here because it’s the east example, but it is not the only one) > Sometimes, there is no deeper explanation for this nonsense than being a sore loser at someone else being better than you at something. Ok let us be sore losers by ourselves with our tariffs. What concern is it if any other country?
- donkeybeer 1y agoI am glad we finally admitted its not about this or that labor or other nonsense but about being a sore loser. And you seem to be forgetting I am equally in opposition of tariffs and consider it fucking shit when China or anyone else does it. Be sore losers, nobody is stopping you, I just truly and earnestly hope for the sake of your country that I am wrong.
- ericmay 1y agoYou claimed we were sore losers. I don’t care what you call us. We are fine with our tariffs and being whatever names you want to call us. It’s funny how mad everyone seems to be. Oh you’re just sore losers. Oh this isn’t going to work. Blah blah blah and on and on and on and all the kicking and screaming about it just tells me that your protests are an admission that it’s a good idea. > And you seem to be forgetting I am equally in opposition of tariffs and consider it fucking shit when China or anyone else does it. You asked and I delivered. I wasn’t accusing you of being in favor of trade barriers.
- donkeybeer 1y agoI am calling you sore losers because I have seen not just studied a theory what happens when you tariff all over, I don't want to see America slide down. If I wanted to hurt your country I'd go full bore encouraging even more random high tariffs all over the board. I am also calling you sore losers because its, objectively minus any value judgments, a truth. Tariffs on a sector mean you are a loser in that sector. Not a big deal when said country never claimed to be a proponent of free trade before. But when its a country that ruins the board whose rules themselves setup, then yes? Idk what else to call them.
- donkeybeer 1y agoAgain you are repeatedly failing to understand the word "luxury". Please look it up in a dictionary somewhere. Luxuries are nice, I can afford many luxuries. Others can't. All for the stupidity of paying more to gain absolutely nothing more at that, not even for any meaningful discernible difference.
- ericmay 1y agoIf the prices are the same and there’s no difference then keeping buying the imported product.
- donkeybeer 1y agoCorrect. You made a formerly cheap product artificially expensive.
- ericmay 1y agoAnd now our domestic product is cost competitive which seems just fine to me.
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- donkeybeer 1y agoGive me a million dollars right now, and I will buy everything with supreme moral and ethical standards. If you truly believe in it, then you'd immediately give me a million instead of demanding the impossible: for someone to buy things several times out of their capabilities if you sum all items up.
- ericmay 1y agoDo you endorse literal slave labor then to make prices as low as possible?
- donkeybeer 1y agoShow me cases of "slave labor" where the workers don't strongly prefer that "slave shop" to whatever existence they would have without it.
- ericmay 1y agoThat’s not what we are discussing though. You’re criticizing my moral superiority over working or environmental conditions - but you clearly have your own moral superiority or else you’d be fine with literally anything needed including actual slave labor to get products as cheap as possible.
- donkeybeer 1y agoYou are lying and trying to put words into me by making up this imaginary "slave labor" concept. I ask you again, go ask the sweatshoppers if they prefer life in the sweatshop to life before the sweatshop.
- ericmay 1y agoI’ll take that as a retraction of your moral superiority nonsense.