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It's never been a loved language, but there it is, pretty much all over the place so many years later. I wouldn't have guessed that either! I'd be more interes

It's never been a loved language, but there it is, pretty much all over the place so many years later. I wouldn't have guessed that either! I'd be more interested in reading on well-rehearsed, current predictions about Java. Many enterprises are starting to consider (mostly JVM-based) alternatives these days.

zxcvb 14y ago
Your last sentence isn't really true. Or should I say, you can't really prove that this is true for "most". My company has some pretty big telco and retail clients that are migrating their eCommerce platforms. Guess what technology the newer eCommerce platform is using? All Java baby... Same with the hedge funds down the road from me, all that automated low latency trading.. All Java.
ximeng 14y ago
zxcvb you appear to be auto-dead
w0utert 14y ago
> I'd be more interested in reading on well-rehearsed, current predictions about Java. I predict Java-the-language will stick around for at least another decade, if not for the huge enterprise codebases and the years invested in Java training, it would be because of Android. The biggest mobile platform of the moment is Android, and it's completely focussed on Java (whether that's a good thing is a whole different discussion). Without Android, I think Java-the-language would fade very quickly, because IMO you can't possible assert the language is better in any way, for any kind of purpose, compared to the many alternatives. It's archaic, verbose, unnecessarily restrictive, misses most of the more modern language features, or bolted them on like ugly warts, it is not a very good RAD language because you need so much boilerplate, etc. In my experience (I've written about 100k lines of Java, many multiples of that in C, C++, Delphi, Python, Objective-C and PHP), Java is without doubt the least pleasant language to write. As for Java-the-platform, I think that part of Java will not go away quickly. The JVM is actually very good, and the Java JDK frameworks are extensive, well-documented and well-known. New languages on top of the JVM, that allow leveraging the JDK frameworks will remain very popular for a long time, for good reasons.

zxcvb 14y ago

Your last sentence isn't really true. Or should I say, you can't really prove that this is true for "most". My company has some pretty big telco and retail clients that are migrating their eCommerce platforms. Guess what technology the newer eCommerce platform is using? All Java baby... Same with the hedge funds down the road from me, all that automated low latency trading.. All Java.

ximeng 14y ago

zxcvb you appear to be auto-dead

w0utert 14y ago

> I'd be more interested in reading on well-rehearsed, current predictions about Java. I predict Java-the-language will stick around for at least another decade, if not for the huge enterprise codebases and the years invested in Java training, it would be because of Android. The biggest mobile platform of the moment is Android, and it's completely focussed on Java (whether that's a good thing is a whole different discussion). Without Android, I think Java-the-language would fade very quickly, because IMO you can't possible assert the language is better in any way, for any kind of purpose, compared to the many alternatives. It's archaic, verbose, unnecessarily restrictive, misses most of the more modern language features, or bolted them on like ugly warts, it is not a very good RAD language because you need so much boilerplate, etc. In my experience (I've written about 100k lines of Java, many multiples of that in C, C++, Delphi, Python, Objective-C and PHP), Java is without doubt the least pleasant language to write. As for Java-the-platform, I think that part of Java will not go away quickly. The JVM is actually very good, and the Java JDK frameworks are extensive, well-documented and well-known. New languages on top of the JVM, that allow leveraging the JDK frameworks will remain very popular for a long time, for good reasons.