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The treaty in question is the Constitution. All states must grant extradition to any other state. It would be pretty crazy if you could kill someone in Arizona

The treaty in question is the Constitution. All states must grant extradition to any other state. It would be pretty crazy if you could kill someone in Arizona and then just walk over the border to California and not be able to be prosecuted…

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stonogo 1y ago
Yeah, that would be crazy, but the point here is that the "crime" is not being committed in Mississippi at all.
zikduruqe 1y ago
You mean the Zone Of Death? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone) "The Zone of Death is the 50-square-mile (130 km2) area in the Idaho section of Yellowstone National Park in which, as a result of the Vicinage Clause in the Constitution of the United States, a person may be able to theoretically avoid conviction for any major crime, up to and including murder"
- gjm11 1y ago
  That's a separate thing -- it's not about being in a different state from where the crime was committed, it's about (supposedly) it being procedurally impossible to give you the jury trial you have to have, because literally no one lives in the relevant district.
  - lazide 1y ago
    Which really just means of anyone tried to exploit the loophole and wasn’t politically untouchable cough, everyone would just ignore the problem and assign them to some nearby district or whatever.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    No, because no one lives in the relevant combination of state and district, hence why only portion of the District of Wyoming that is actually in the State of Idaho is affected.
    - gjm11 1y ago
      Yup, sorry, I was imprecise.
- yardstick 1y ago
  Seems like the solution is to bus in new residents if such a trial was needed.
delfinom 1y ago
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ny-gov-hochul-rejects-louisiana-extradition-doctor-abortion-pill-case-rcna192156 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ny-gov-hochul-rejects-l... >New York governor rejects Louisiana's extradition request for doctor in abortion pill case cough
- stronglikedan 1y ago
  Exactly. We don't have a problem with too few laws and regulations. We have a problem with enforcement and accountability.
  - bee_rider 1y ago
    It seems like a problem of states trying to pass laws that control things outside their borders. The jurisdiction of Louisiana courts is Louisiana. I mean it would be absurd if an anti-death-sentence state started trying to extradite the executioners working in pro-death-sentence states for murder, right?
    - svieira 1y ago
      If the executioner did their work in the anti-death-sentence state it wouldn't seem to be absurd, no. E. g. if they had pulled the cord that activated the electric chair remotely from a pro-death-sentence state (tele-execution ... sounds very BlackMirror).
      - bee_rider 1y ago
        I’d expect that to result in a very confusing court case. Fortunately, despite all the other messes going on, we haven’t tried anything that silly.
0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
Murder is a crime in all states. If the two states disagree on if a crime occurred, does the requesting state get to impose its laws on everyone?
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > Murder is a crime in all states. Not by the same definition, no, its not, though there is a crime called "murder" in all states, and there tends to be significant overlap in the definitions.
  - throwmeaway222 1y ago
    So Murder is a crime in all states.

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stonogo 1y ago

Yeah, that would be crazy, but the point here is that the "crime" is not being committed in Mississippi at all.

zikduruqe 1y ago

You mean the Zone Of Death? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone) "The Zone of Death is the 50-square-mile (130 km2) area in the Idaho section of Yellowstone National Park in which, as a result of the Vicinage Clause in the Constitution of the United States, a person may be able to theoretically avoid conviction for any major crime, up to and including murder"

gjm11 1y ago
That's a separate thing -- it's not about being in a different state from where the crime was committed, it's about (supposedly) it being procedurally impossible to give you the jury trial you have to have, because literally no one lives in the relevant district.
- lazide 1y ago
  Which really just means of anyone tried to exploit the loophole and wasn’t politically untouchable cough, everyone would just ignore the problem and assign them to some nearby district or whatever.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  No, because no one lives in the relevant combination of state and district, hence why only portion of the District of Wyoming that is actually in the State of Idaho is affected.
  - gjm11 1y ago
    Yup, sorry, I was imprecise.
yardstick 1y ago
Seems like the solution is to bus in new residents if such a trial was needed.

delfinom 1y ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ny-gov-hochul-rejects-louisiana-extradition-doctor-abortion-pill-case-rcna192156 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ny-gov-hochul-rejects-l... >New York governor rejects Louisiana's extradition request for doctor in abortion pill case cough

stronglikedan 1y ago
Exactly. We don't have a problem with too few laws and regulations. We have a problem with enforcement and accountability.
- bee_rider 1y ago
  It seems like a problem of states trying to pass laws that control things outside their borders. The jurisdiction of Louisiana courts is Louisiana. I mean it would be absurd if an anti-death-sentence state started trying to extradite the executioners working in pro-death-sentence states for murder, right?
  - svieira 1y ago
    If the executioner did their work in the anti-death-sentence state it wouldn't seem to be absurd, no. E. g. if they had pulled the cord that activated the electric chair remotely from a pro-death-sentence state (tele-execution ... sounds very BlackMirror).
    - bee_rider 1y ago
      I’d expect that to result in a very confusing court case. Fortunately, despite all the other messes going on, we haven’t tried anything that silly.

0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago

Murder is a crime in all states. If the two states disagree on if a crime occurred, does the requesting state get to impose its laws on everyone?

dragonwriter 1y ago
> Murder is a crime in all states. Not by the same definition, no, its not, though there is a crime called "murder" in all states, and there tends to be significant overlap in the definitions.
- throwmeaway222 1y ago
  So Murder is a crime in all states.