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Yet it is here to stay, won't go away and even if it won't get any better at the useful things it does, it is useful. The externalities are real, some can be re
by danielbln 1y ago
Yet it is here to stay, won't go away and even if it won't get any better at the useful things it does, it is useful. The externalities are real, some can be removed, some mitigated. If you're a hater and a human, then you don't have to mitigate anything, of course.
Me, I hate the externalities, but I love the thing. I want to use my own AI, hyper optimized and efficient and private. It would mitigate a lot. Maybe some day.
- Mallowram 1y ago[dead]
- danielbln 1y agoAI is information.
- jerhewet 1y agoAI is "put Elmer's glue on your pizza so the ingredients won't slide off". AI is "three B's in blueberry". Garbage in, garbage out. Which will always be the case when your AI is scraping stuff off of random pages and commentary on the internet.
- s1mplicissimus 1y agoIf only it were garbage in, garbage out - that would be solvable by better training data. But it's much worse than that, because even if you'd only feed it good stuff, the output would still deteriorate. pointing index finger at imaginary baloon: pfffffffffft
- zwnow 1y agoDisinformation with more and more propaganda due to being vulnerable to bad actors. There's already evidence on people spreading propaganda through LLMs.
- danielbln 1y agoDefinitely, AI can be used for terrible things. Doesn't change that it's information and won't go away.
- justsomejew 1y agoI think you are a real person, still you sound like a broken record.. "disinformation..", "propaganda".. "bad actors".. You are the "bad actors", pumpkin. Worse than the other ones.
- zwnow 1y agoSo we are just ignoring this issue?
- Mallowram 1y agoEven Shannon knew the limits of information late in career. AI is not information, it's signaling. And it embeds without decipherment or segregating dominance, bias, control, manipulation. The dark matter of language we can't extract. "Shannon warned in 1956 that information theory “has perhaps been ballooned to an importance beyond its actual accomplishments” and that information theory is “not necessarily relevant to such fields as psychology, economics, and other social sciences.” Shannon concluded: “The subject of information theory has certainly been sold, if not oversold.” [Claude E. Shannon, “The Bandwagon,” IRE Transactions on Information Theory, Vol. 2, No. 1 (March 1956), p. 3.]"
- lif 1y agoSignaling? That is correct. Also, am willing to place a _very_ long bet that clay tablets will be around longer.
- petralithic 1y agoI don't understand this sentence. What is "operating the arbitrary?"
- Mallowram 1y agowords, symbols, sentences, tokens, all are arbitrary. They stay arbitrary unless there is an irrefutable target like a tumor. This is the basis of CS
- yifanl 1y ago> Yet it is here to stay, won't go away Source for this claim? Are you still using Groupon?
- sindriava 1y agoComparing a general technology (AI) to a specific company (Groupon) is a category error. To your point coupons still exist and people use them and Anthropic might not exist in 2 years while AI will.
- sshine 1y agoPeople are. Just like crypto. Just look at the bitcoin hashrate; it’s a steep curve.
- brokencode 1y agoYou must be living on a different planet if you think the adoption and societal impact Groupon was ever remotely comparable to AI.
- yifanl 1y agoI assure you as someone working FoH at the time, Groupon's impact on me was far greater than AI ever could be.
- brokencode 1y agoI’m talking about how it impacts society in general, not you specifically. Also, I don’t think you appreciate how deeply AI will affect your life in the future. The next time you get a CT for example, it might be an AI system that finds a lung nodule and saves your life. Or for a negative possibility, consider how deepfakes could seriously degrade politics and the media landscape. There are massive potential upsides and downsides to AI that will almost certainly impact you more than a coupon company.
- dpoloncsak 1y agoThe last time we saw a bet from Wall St like we are seeing with AI, was when they bet on the internet. Do you still use the internet?
- iLoveOncall 1y agoThere are plenty of things that are useful and that have gone away. As long as GenAI stays unprofitable, it has every chance of disappearing if it stays as useless as it is right now.
- ginko 1y agoThere's people running stable diffusion locally on their systems for their own amusement. Do you think that will go away?
- brian-armstrong 1y ago100% yes, at least down to a rounding error. If people stop pushing billions into training new versions, then the novelty will wear off very quickly. There are still many constraints on what it can do and people will generally lose motivation when they start finding those invisible boundaries on its capabilities. It'll be effectively a dead pursuit.
- myhf 1y ago> the useful things it does It's weird how AI-lovers are always trying to shoehorn an unsupported "it does useful things" into some kind of criticism sandwich where only the solvable problems can be acknowledged as problems. Just because some technologies have both upsides and downsides doesn't mean that every technology automatically has upsides. GenAI is good at generating these kinds of hollow statements that mimic the form of substantial arguments, but anyone who actually reads it can see how hollow it is. If you want to argue that it does useful things, you have to explain at least one of those things.
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- schwartzworld 1y agoIt's bad at - Actually knowing things / being correct - Creating anything original It's good at - Producing convincing output fast and cheap There are lots of applications where correctness and originality matter less than "can I get convincing output fast and cheap". Other commenters have mentioned being able to vibe-code up a simple app, for example. I know an older man who is not great at writing in English (but otherwise very intelligent) who uses it for correspondence.
- const_cast 1y agoThose applications are actually abysmally rare - it's just that we've created a society where businesses are just... allowed to externalize all costs. Being wrong or lying is almost universally bad and unproductive. But making money has nothing to do with being productive - you can actively make the world worse and make money. Ask RJ Reynolds.
- schwartzworld 1y ago> Being wrong or lying is almost universally bad and unproductive Sure, but there are cases where rightness isn’t a thing. Don’t get me wrong I’m not an AI Stan, it has real problems, but it’s also not going anywhere. Eventually the bubble will pop and we’ll see which applications of AI turned out to be useful and which didn’t.
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- lproven 1y ago> Yet it is here to stay, won't go away and even if it won't get any better at the useful things it does, it is useful. "Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings." — Ursula K. Le Guin