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UC Berkeley students embarrassed themselves on the world stage by attacking the free speech rights of conservative speakers... petualant, threatening and very i

UC Berkeley students embarrassed themselves on the world stage by attacking the free speech rights of conservative speakers... petualant, threatening and very in the media. People in Berkeley familiar with the history bent their heads in grief to see it. Free speech means that yes, conservatives may also speak in public IMHO

hshdhdhj4444 1y ago
So what is a greater threat to free speech. A group of students throwing a tantrum because someone they don’t like was invited to speak? The most powerful government in the world using every tool it has to make the university whose speech they don’t like suffer? Tools including threatening to remove accreditation, refusing to disburse hundreds of millions of dollars in grants, threatening to end the student visas of the international students, etc.
- wrs 1y ago
  Also, note that only the second of those actors is prohibited by the Constitution from infringing free speech.
  - schoen 1y ago
    UC Berkeley is a public university, so its administration is bound by the first amendment according to the incorporation doctrine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights#Amendment_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_R... (Though maybe the actors you're referring to are students rather than the administration. It's true that students can't violate someone's first amendment rights, although they can interfere with their exercise in a way that the administration might have a legal duty to prevent.)
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bhouston 1y ago
I do not know the exact specifics of UC Berkeley and you didn't link to them. That said, I am a financial supporter of FIRE, which often has come to the defense of free speech of conservatives. It is also opposed to the Trump administrations moves against Harvard: https://www.thefire.org/news/findings-against-harvard-are-blueprint-national-campus-speech-code https://www.thefire.org/news/findings-against-harvard-are-bl...
tyre 1y ago
> the free speech rights of conservative speakers Free speech is the right to speak without retribution of the law. It is not the right to be heard or platformed.
- int_19h 1y ago
  1A can be that if it's a publicly owned institution being selective about who gets platformed without having clear objective criteria that are not infringing. For example, if a city council invites a Christian preacher to deliver a sermon, then they also have to allow access to other faiths.
tastyface 1y ago
Based on how things are going, looks like they were very much justified.

hshdhdhj4444 1y ago

So what is a greater threat to free speech. A group of students throwing a tantrum because someone they don’t like was invited to speak? The most powerful government in the world using every tool it has to make the university whose speech they don’t like suffer? Tools including threatening to remove accreditation, refusing to disburse hundreds of millions of dollars in grants, threatening to end the student visas of the international students, etc.

wrs 1y ago
Also, note that only the second of those actors is prohibited by the Constitution from infringing free speech.
- schoen 1y ago
  UC Berkeley is a public university, so its administration is bound by the first amendment according to the incorporation doctrine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights#Amendment_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_R... (Though maybe the actors you're referring to are students rather than the administration. It's true that students can't violate someone's first amendment rights, although they can interfere with their exercise in a way that the administration might have a legal duty to prevent.)

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bhouston 1y ago

I do not know the exact specifics of UC Berkeley and you didn't link to them. That said, I am a financial supporter of FIRE, which often has come to the defense of free speech of conservatives. It is also opposed to the Trump administrations moves against Harvard: https://www.thefire.org/news/findings-against-harvard-are-blueprint-national-campus-speech-code https://www.thefire.org/news/findings-against-harvard-are-bl...

tyre 1y ago

> the free speech rights of conservative speakers Free speech is the right to speak without retribution of the law. It is not the right to be heard or platformed.

int_19h 1y ago
1A can be that if it's a publicly owned institution being selective about who gets platformed without having clear objective criteria that are not infringing. For example, if a city council invites a Christian preacher to deliver a sermon, then they also have to allow access to other faiths.

tastyface 1y ago

Based on how things are going, looks like they were very much justified.