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Exactly. Everyone is so gung ho about running whatever they want on the very custom hardware Apple is selling. But then complete silence about the PS5 and Xbo

Exactly. Everyone is so gung ho about running whatever they want on the very custom hardware Apple is selling. But then complete silence about the PS5 and Xbox, which are 99% plain old PC hardware with a custom OS. Why?

dylan604 1y ago
PS3 orig allowed yellow dog linux, and there was only a slight murmur when that feature was removed. to me that's worse as it is obvious it is possible, but only now not possible because vendor took it away compared to never allowing it from the start.
- theshrike79 1y ago
  That's because it was there 100% for tax evasion :D IIRC EU had a rule that "general purpose computers" had a significantly lower tax than "gaming devices" -> let users install Linux on it -> general purpose -> more money for Sony.
sapphicsnail 1y ago
Probably because you can buy a gaming PC. I don't complain very often about consoles being locked down because it doesn't affect me unless there's some platform exclusive I can't play. If there was a viable alternative to iOS or Android I wouldn't care quite so much about them.
- theshrike79 1y ago
  You can also buy a phone with Sailfish OS or use a Linux phone. The option is always there. I want to buy a PS5 and install SteamOS on it and play PC games. Why can't I?
  - reorder9695 1y ago
    You can't buy a phone with Sailfish or a Linux phone and continue to access your banks that require apps for 3DS that check the play integrity API so compatibility layers like Sailfish has or bluestacks won't work. I'd say the inability to access my money makes it a lot less of an option.
    - theshrike79 1y ago
      And I can't run Firefox on my PS5 or Xbox, the limitation is purely arbitrary, not technical.
AlexeyBelov 1y ago
Complete silence? This is just not true. But also, it doesn't matter, because it's a different topic. If someone wants A, it doesn't mean they are automatically wrong because they didn't also talk about B and C.

dylan604 1y ago

PS3 orig allowed yellow dog linux, and there was only a slight murmur when that feature was removed. to me that's worse as it is obvious it is possible, but only now not possible because vendor took it away compared to never allowing it from the start.

theshrike79 1y ago
That's because it was there 100% for tax evasion :D IIRC EU had a rule that "general purpose computers" had a significantly lower tax than "gaming devices" -> let users install Linux on it -> general purpose -> more money for Sony.

sapphicsnail 1y ago

Probably because you can buy a gaming PC. I don't complain very often about consoles being locked down because it doesn't affect me unless there's some platform exclusive I can't play. If there was a viable alternative to iOS or Android I wouldn't care quite so much about them.

theshrike79 1y ago
You can also buy a phone with Sailfish OS or use a Linux phone. The option is always there. I want to buy a PS5 and install SteamOS on it and play PC games. Why can't I?
- reorder9695 1y ago
  You can't buy a phone with Sailfish or a Linux phone and continue to access your banks that require apps for 3DS that check the play integrity API so compatibility layers like Sailfish has or bluestacks won't work. I'd say the inability to access my money makes it a lot less of an option.
  - theshrike79 1y ago
    And I can't run Firefox on my PS5 or Xbox, the limitation is purely arbitrary, not technical.

AlexeyBelov 1y ago

Complete silence? This is just not true. But also, it doesn't matter, because it's a different topic. If someone wants A, it doesn't mean they are automatically wrong because they didn't also talk about B and C.