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Well, believer or non-believer, there are many loose ends in the official theory, and there are many documentary films that are proving a bunch of facts that bo

Well, believer or non-believer, there are many loose ends in the official theory, and there are many documentary films that are proving a bunch of facts that boldly indicate that this was a planned inside job. Just think, wouldn't those who run the world spend just several hundred lives and two buildings to gain a so profitable war on terror, the Patriot Act, and a new permanent enemy (the terrorists!) to keep the people in terror and pull more and more of their rights to "protect them".

gsibble 14y ago
One of my greatest issues with 911 conspiracy theories are that people believe that the government and George W are capable of planning such a brilliant and perfectly executed false flag attack and then claim that George W. Bush is a complete moron in the same sentence. You can't have it both ways, lol.
- corin_ 14y ago
  That line of logic really doesn't make any sense at all. I personally believe Bush to be a moron, but he wasn't the only person doing stuff in that administration. Every president, great or terrible, has relied on staff below them to assist and advise, and that's not a bad thing. Hypothetically, if this was a conspiracy, then Bush's involvement would have been at the very most listening to options and then selecting one. For the same reason I can, in the same sentence, say that America invaded Iraq and that Bush isn't a trained soldier. (For the record I don't believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.)
- conductor 14y ago
  I've answered to that claim above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4504359 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4504359
- izmail 14y ago
  Who said George W. Bush was running the show? He was just a puppet. Give the guy some cocaine and he'll say whatever the hell you want him to say. Think about it. Who had the biggest geopolitical motive to invade Iraq for its oil and Afghanistan for its minerals? It's not the people calling shots in front of you, it's the guys with the money behind them.
  - glanch 14y ago
    Has the US taken ownership of Iraq's oil and Afghanistan's minerals?
conductor 14y ago
Another conspiracy theory. This thread with it's parent is the most discussed/hot thread, but it is being buried by someone so it's in the tail of the page. How lucky, the real numbers about who and how much points give/take are not being shown to us, the users.
specialist 14y ago
I watched some of those documentaries. Loose Change was the worst. Shows image of Pentagon, "proving" it wasn't a plane that stuck the building. Image is cropped. Original image shows debris field, including plane's engine.
- conductor 14y ago
  "911 Truth for Dummies": http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/cards/CR13-740h.jpg http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/cards/CR13-740h.jpg Quote from 911sharethetruth.com: """Initially, most of us fell for their version of the events. But then came the slip-ups. The leaseholder of the World Trade Center admitted on PBS in 'Rebuilding America' that WTC-7 was 'pulled' on 9/11 (See video here in Windows Media Format - http://www.911sharethetruth.com/extras/SilversteinBdg7.wmv http://www.911sharethetruth.com/extras/SilversteinBdg7.wmv), which is the standard slang for controlled demolition. Look at the tapes from that day when TV anchors, Aaron Brown and Dan Rather first said the very same words about the collapses. Firefighters and rescue workers talked about explosives and bombs going off, all over in the buildings. Recall the horrific images of the over 100-story towers coming down at free-fall speed, defying the laws of physics. Recall the engineers who first stated that the planes and fires alone could not have caused the deadly collapse. Now the evidence is gone, witnesses silenced, and an independent, real investigation never happened. Sure, it is hard to accept that we have all been fooled so long, but only discovering and facing the truth will set the U.S. free.""" - 9-11 Truth Activist of Northern California
  - specialist 14y ago
    I'm a Popperian. Theories must be falsifiable. If any of the 9/11 Truther theories invalidate or improve on the NIST explanation for how WTC 7 fell, you let me know. As for the politics, whatever. Bush/Cheney allowed 9/11 to happen. And then they capitalized on the aftermath. So what? There's no evidence that is actionable. You're outraged? Big deal. While you're refighting past battles, the bad guys are gleefully stealing your future. Having said that, the 9/11 Truther groups are basically cults. No different than the La Rouchians, Scientologists, climate change deniers, Clinton Killed Vince Foster, etc. People addicted to anger busy disempowering themselves.

gsibble 14y ago

One of my greatest issues with 911 conspiracy theories are that people believe that the government and George W are capable of planning such a brilliant and perfectly executed false flag attack and then claim that George W. Bush is a complete moron in the same sentence. You can't have it both ways, lol.

corin_ 14y ago
That line of logic really doesn't make any sense at all. I personally believe Bush to be a moron, but he wasn't the only person doing stuff in that administration. Every president, great or terrible, has relied on staff below them to assist and advise, and that's not a bad thing. Hypothetically, if this was a conspiracy, then Bush's involvement would have been at the very most listening to options and then selecting one. For the same reason I can, in the same sentence, say that America invaded Iraq and that Bush isn't a trained soldier. (For the record I don't believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.)
conductor 14y ago
I've answered to that claim above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4504359 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4504359
izmail 14y ago
Who said George W. Bush was running the show? He was just a puppet. Give the guy some cocaine and he'll say whatever the hell you want him to say. Think about it. Who had the biggest geopolitical motive to invade Iraq for its oil and Afghanistan for its minerals? It's not the people calling shots in front of you, it's the guys with the money behind them.
- glanch 14y ago
  Has the US taken ownership of Iraq's oil and Afghanistan's minerals?

conductor 14y ago

Another conspiracy theory. This thread with it's parent is the most discussed/hot thread, but it is being buried by someone so it's in the tail of the page. How lucky, the real numbers about who and how much points give/take are not being shown to us, the users.

specialist 14y ago

I watched some of those documentaries. Loose Change was the worst. Shows image of Pentagon, "proving" it wasn't a plane that stuck the building. Image is cropped. Original image shows debris field, including plane's engine.

conductor 14y ago
"911 Truth for Dummies": http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/cards/CR13-740h.jpg http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/cards/CR13-740h.jpg Quote from 911sharethetruth.com: """Initially, most of us fell for their version of the events. But then came the slip-ups. The leaseholder of the World Trade Center admitted on PBS in 'Rebuilding America' that WTC-7 was 'pulled' on 9/11 (See video here in Windows Media Format - http://www.911sharethetruth.com/extras/SilversteinBdg7.wmv http://www.911sharethetruth.com/extras/SilversteinBdg7.wmv), which is the standard slang for controlled demolition. Look at the tapes from that day when TV anchors, Aaron Brown and Dan Rather first said the very same words about the collapses. Firefighters and rescue workers talked about explosives and bombs going off, all over in the buildings. Recall the horrific images of the over 100-story towers coming down at free-fall speed, defying the laws of physics. Recall the engineers who first stated that the planes and fires alone could not have caused the deadly collapse. Now the evidence is gone, witnesses silenced, and an independent, real investigation never happened. Sure, it is hard to accept that we have all been fooled so long, but only discovering and facing the truth will set the U.S. free.""" - 9-11 Truth Activist of Northern California
- specialist 14y ago
  I'm a Popperian. Theories must be falsifiable. If any of the 9/11 Truther theories invalidate or improve on the NIST explanation for how WTC 7 fell, you let me know. As for the politics, whatever. Bush/Cheney allowed 9/11 to happen. And then they capitalized on the aftermath. So what? There's no evidence that is actionable. You're outraged? Big deal. While you're refighting past battles, the bad guys are gleefully stealing your future. Having said that, the 9/11 Truther groups are basically cults. No different than the La Rouchians, Scientologists, climate change deniers, Clinton Killed Vince Foster, etc. People addicted to anger busy disempowering themselves.