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Exactly as predicted [0] and ahead of schedule. I didn't think they would be so bold while the EU investigations are still pending. Can we now revisit the argu

Exactly as predicted [0] and ahead of schedule. I didn't think they would be so bold while the EU investigations are still pending. Can we now revisit the arguments that people were making in those threads to defend this? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39137090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39137090

mmastrac 1y ago
They aren't going to listen unless execs start going to jail.
- betaby 1y ago
  Who precisely should go to jail in this particular case?
  - Perz1val 1y ago
    Well, pick any of them, it'll work
    - geodel 1y ago
      Nah, just shoot them dead in encounters. Commercial cases, criminal cases all the same. EU need to learn from HN law experts. One can see world wide where jail time or extra judicial punishments has made business people most upstanding citizens.
    - betaby 1y ago
      I would start with EU citizens first. Couple of telecom CEOs come to mind, notably ones from the ISP implementing censorship even without court orders and threatening security researchers for (responsibly) disclosing vulnerabilities in their networks. EU folks should start looking around first, where they clearly have power to do so.
      - dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
        It may or may not be a valid point, but it's a red herring in this thread.
      - mvdtnz 1y ago
        Holy deflection.
  - SilverElfin 1y ago
    All the EU based ones, immediately, and then Tim Cook.
bko 1y ago
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems entirely reasonable to me to have different models for an ecosystem and market. Android exits, it's relatively open. I can download an APK and easily install it on my device (unless this changed since I last did this). Apple is a walled garden. That's both a gift and a curse. I see a lot more spammy low-quality apps on Android, but I also have more choice. I prefer Android for mobile and Mac for desktop. As an aside, any time I've seen the state intervene in affairs like this it has made my experience as a user worse. I remember something about Google can no longer "favor" their services. So for instance, if I search for an address, it can't show me Google maps because it theoretically harms all the fledgling map companies. But now it's just more clicks for me. I don't care about competition, I care about the best product. If I search for an address I want google maps. If I search for a video, show me YouTube. And if Google fails to deliver the best product, I'll switch. It's no different than going to a restaurant and them serving only Pepsi products.
- znpy 1y ago
  > Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems entirely reasonable to me to have different models for an ecosystem and market. The practice of charging different prices for the same digital good depending on the buyer’s country is generally called international price discrimination (or geo-based price discrimination). Just so you know.
- benoau 1y ago
  > It's no different than going to a restaurant and them serving only Pepsi products. I don't think that accurately depicts the situation. > Apple has threatened to remove creator platform Patreon from the App Store if creators use unsupported third-party billing options or disable transactions on iOS, instead of using Apple's own in-app purchasing system for Patreon's subscriptions. This happened because 5 years after Patreon published their app, Apple decided they were now due a 30% recurring cut of "indie creator" revenue. And that's ignoring that they did this while under court order to allow external payment options. And we've seen them try to force IAP purchases and subscriptions into WordPress, to Hey, and other apps too. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-says-patreon-must-switch-155232559.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-says-patreon-must-switc...

mmastrac 1y ago

They aren't going to listen unless execs start going to jail.

betaby 1y ago
Who precisely should go to jail in this particular case?
- Perz1val 1y ago
  Well, pick any of them, it'll work
  - geodel 1y ago
    Nah, just shoot them dead in encounters. Commercial cases, criminal cases all the same. EU need to learn from HN law experts. One can see world wide where jail time or extra judicial punishments has made business people most upstanding citizens.
  - betaby 1y ago
    I would start with EU citizens first. Couple of telecom CEOs come to mind, notably ones from the ISP implementing censorship even without court orders and threatening security researchers for (responsibly) disclosing vulnerabilities in their networks. EU folks should start looking around first, where they clearly have power to do so.
    - dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
      It may or may not be a valid point, but it's a red herring in this thread.
    - mvdtnz 1y ago
      Holy deflection.
- SilverElfin 1y ago
  All the EU based ones, immediately, and then Tim Cook.

bko 1y ago

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems entirely reasonable to me to have different models for an ecosystem and market. Android exits, it's relatively open. I can download an APK and easily install it on my device (unless this changed since I last did this). Apple is a walled garden. That's both a gift and a curse. I see a lot more spammy low-quality apps on Android, but I also have more choice. I prefer Android for mobile and Mac for desktop. As an aside, any time I've seen the state intervene in affairs like this it has made my experience as a user worse. I remember something about Google can no longer "favor" their services. So for instance, if I search for an address, it can't show me Google maps because it theoretically harms all the fledgling map companies. But now it's just more clicks for me. I don't care about competition, I care about the best product. If I search for an address I want google maps. If I search for a video, show me YouTube. And if Google fails to deliver the best product, I'll switch. It's no different than going to a restaurant and them serving only Pepsi products.

znpy 1y ago
> Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems entirely reasonable to me to have different models for an ecosystem and market. The practice of charging different prices for the same digital good depending on the buyer’s country is generally called international price discrimination (or geo-based price discrimination). Just so you know.
benoau 1y ago
> It's no different than going to a restaurant and them serving only Pepsi products. I don't think that accurately depicts the situation. > Apple has threatened to remove creator platform Patreon from the App Store if creators use unsupported third-party billing options or disable transactions on iOS, instead of using Apple's own in-app purchasing system for Patreon's subscriptions. This happened because 5 years after Patreon published their app, Apple decided they were now due a 30% recurring cut of "indie creator" revenue. And that's ignoring that they did this while under court order to allow external payment options. And we've seen them try to force IAP purchases and subscriptions into WordPress, to Hey, and other apps too. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-says-patreon-must-switch-155232559.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-says-patreon-must-switc...