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Probably depends on your specific company or industry Personally I've never seen anyone use Pascal as anything other than the butt of a joke or a background sl

Probably depends on your specific company or industry Personally I've never seen anyone use Pascal as anything other than the butt of a joke or a background slide on "how far we've come" since the 80s. Nobody even seems to remember object Pascal. ... But I'm also in a sector that routinely relies on Fortran code so ymmv

pjmlp 1y ago
Ever heard of Mac OS and a company called Apple?
- maleldil 1y ago
  Is Pascal still used on macOS today? Pascal/Delphi was relevant 20 years ago, but it isn't anymore.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Of course not, because that wasn't what I wrote. I wrote Mac OS, which was replaced by OS X. macOS is a rebranding from OS X. Delphi is pretty much relevant in Germany, to this day there are conferences to attend to. You can still get tickets for this year, https://entwickler-konferenz.de/en/ https://entwickler-konferenz.de/en/
- ndiddy 1y ago
  It lasted for a few years as a first-class supported language, but by the early 90s they shifted most of their focus to C++ so the system API being in Pascal became more of a legacy annoyance than anything. You got to deal with Str255 types, putting "\p" at the start of all your string literals, remembering the rules for when to pass by reference or pass by value when you call toolbox functions, etc.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    The fact is that without Object Pascal, there would not exist employees to work on MPW at all, or even Apple most likely. Maybe in some alternative universe they would have been just as successful using BCPL, but the fact C and C++ were ignored at Apple until some employees came up with MPW as side project until it was too late to turn back, speaks volumes about Apple culture. Just as it does the way A/UX was originally designed.
    - ndiddy 1y ago
      Apple officially supported C for Macintosh application development even back when they were still making devs do all their work on Lisas (see http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/lisa/workshop_3.0/Lisa_Workshop_C_Users_Guide_1985.pdf http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/lisa/workshop_3.0/Lisa_Wo...), but you're right that they were a majority Pascal shop until they shifted to C++ around when System 7 came out.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        It did, as userspace tooling for customers, the system was written in a mix of Assembly and Clascal, Object Pascal predecessor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clascal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clascal
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baranul 1y ago
People were not laughing at Turbo Pascal or Delphi when they came out, and they dominated for many years. Delphi/Object Pascal is still taught in the schools of many countries. There are people who want everyone to forget Delphi/Object Pascal and they wish it was dead. But what they wish for and reality are two different things. Delphi still makes money, otherwise they wouldn't sell it.

pjmlp 1y ago

Ever heard of Mac OS and a company called Apple?

maleldil 1y ago
Is Pascal still used on macOS today? Pascal/Delphi was relevant 20 years ago, but it isn't anymore.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Of course not, because that wasn't what I wrote. I wrote Mac OS, which was replaced by OS X. macOS is a rebranding from OS X. Delphi is pretty much relevant in Germany, to this day there are conferences to attend to. You can still get tickets for this year, https://entwickler-konferenz.de/en/ https://entwickler-konferenz.de/en/
ndiddy 1y ago
It lasted for a few years as a first-class supported language, but by the early 90s they shifted most of their focus to C++ so the system API being in Pascal became more of a legacy annoyance than anything. You got to deal with Str255 types, putting "\p" at the start of all your string literals, remembering the rules for when to pass by reference or pass by value when you call toolbox functions, etc.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  The fact is that without Object Pascal, there would not exist employees to work on MPW at all, or even Apple most likely. Maybe in some alternative universe they would have been just as successful using BCPL, but the fact C and C++ were ignored at Apple until some employees came up with MPW as side project until it was too late to turn back, speaks volumes about Apple culture. Just as it does the way A/UX was originally designed.
  - ndiddy 1y ago
    Apple officially supported C for Macintosh application development even back when they were still making devs do all their work on Lisas (see http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/lisa/workshop_3.0/Lisa_Workshop_C_Users_Guide_1985.pdf http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/lisa/workshop_3.0/Lisa_Wo...), but you're right that they were a majority Pascal shop until they shifted to C++ around when System 7 came out.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      It did, as userspace tooling for customers, the system was written in a mix of Assembly and Clascal, Object Pascal predecessor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clascal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clascal
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baranul 1y ago

People were not laughing at Turbo Pascal or Delphi when they came out, and they dominated for many years. Delphi/Object Pascal is still taught in the schools of many countries. There are people who want everyone to forget Delphi/Object Pascal and they wish it was dead. But what they wish for and reality are two different things. Delphi still makes money, otherwise they wouldn't sell it.