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> what exactly is the upper limit of care being provided to someone for "cancer"? It is very vague. It is light on detail but that feels tangential to me? Much
by n4r9 1y ago
> what exactly is the upper limit of care being provided to someone for "cancer"? It is very vague.
It is light on detail but that feels tangential to me? Much like private insurance schemes, state healthcare systems necessarily have a limit on care/expense.
> He clearly isn't advocating for what would be called universal state-funded healthcare in the modern context ... He appears to be talking about ... certain rare events
He uses terms like "common hazards of life", "the case of sickness", and "comprehensive social insurance". I find it hard to believe this doesn't include assistance for the most common health issues like arthritis, diabetes, cancer, and so on.
- roenxi 1y agoWe're talking about one vague paragraph in a book that was making a lot of heavy arguments against any level of government planning. It isn't at all clear he was talking about any of those specific things. "common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision" does not technically include arthritis, diabetes, cancer and so on. Most people can make adequate provisions against those things. The median wage in the west is north of $50,000 - that is a huge amount of slack available for saving for the likelihood of sickness. And insurance in that passage probably means actual insurance. The modern conception of universal government funded healthcare is a long way from that. If you focus on specific phrases I'm certainly happy to admit it is a reasonable read. The issue is in context of the entire sentences and, indeed, the nature of the book itself it isn't the most likely meaning of the passage. He's not advocating for universal, government funded healthcare in the sense that it gets used in modern everyday conversation.
- n4r9 1y agoI'm inclined to a different interpretation of "common hazards" and "adequate provision" but otherwise don't massively disagree, so would be happy to leave it there. My takeaway is that Hayek falls somewhere inbetween universal state-funded healthcare (as in say the UK) and modern US libertarianism. I confess to not knowing that much about him before this discussion but I would have suspected him lying much closer to "modern US libertarianism" on this topic than I now believe. So it's been enlightening, thank you.
- freen 1y agoWhat, pray tell, is Hayek in fact advocating for in that section?
- roenxi 1y agoI have a policy of not responding when I feel like writing some variant of "read what I just wrote". I'm going to make an exception here because this is an otherwise dead thread. I spent 3 quite long comments explaining what I think Hayek is advocating for and why it isn't accurate to call it "universal, government funded healthcare". If you can't come up with a more specific question after reading all that then I am at a loss on how to assist you.