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Hey don’t blame developers. It is business who requests features ASAP to cut costs and and then there are customers who don’t want to pay for „ideal software”

by ozim 1y ago

Hey don’t blame developers. It is business who requests features ASAP to cut costs and and then there are customers who don’t want to pay for „ideal software” but rather have every software for free. Most devs and QA workers I know want to deliver best quality software and usually are gold plating stuff anyway.

pjmlp 1y ago
Being a real Software Engineer, those that actually have the proper title, eventually with the final examination, means being able to deliver the best product within the set of given constraints. Also, speaking out when the train is visibly going against a wall.
- bobmcnamara 1y ago
  In my country those are a myth. We had it as a professional engineering classification for a while but I'm not sure if anyone ever completed it. They cancelled it several years ago.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    And in US anyone can call themselves whatever they feel like. If you want professional quality, we're the first line of actually making it happen, blaming others won't change anything.
    - bobmcnamara 1y ago
      Turns out there could be up to 81 US professional software engineers! https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineering-exam/ https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineerin...
- ozim 1y ago
  You mean like those in the article: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-accident-report-hnk-ml https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-acci...
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Yeah, and I bet responsabilities will be taken care of, unlike in most software projects.
Cthulhu_ 1y ago
Business can request it, but it's your job as a software engineer to build quality software; don't shift the blame. Does a construction engineer blame an architect's wacky designs if a building collapses? No, they either engineer it so it doesn't collapse, convince the architect that it will collapse because physics, or they refuse. People want to be able to use a bridge for free too, doesn't mean there's no money in it. As for gold plating, is that really improving software quality, or is that yak shaving / bike shedding?

by ozim 1y ago

pjmlp 1y ago

Being a real Software Engineer, those that actually have the proper title, eventually with the final examination, means being able to deliver the best product within the set of given constraints. Also, speaking out when the train is visibly going against a wall.

bobmcnamara 1y ago
In my country those are a myth. We had it as a professional engineering classification for a while but I'm not sure if anyone ever completed it. They cancelled it several years ago.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  And in US anyone can call themselves whatever they feel like. If you want professional quality, we're the first line of actually making it happen, blaming others won't change anything.
  - bobmcnamara 1y ago
    Turns out there could be up to 81 US professional software engineers! https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineering-exam/ https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineerin...
ozim 1y ago
You mean like those in the article: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-accident-report-hnk-ml https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-acci...
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Yeah, and I bet responsabilities will be taken care of, unlike in most software projects.

Cthulhu_ 1y ago

Business can request it, but it's your job as a software engineer to build quality software; don't shift the blame. Does a construction engineer blame an architect's wacky designs if a building collapses? No, they either engineer it so it doesn't collapse, convince the architect that it will collapse because physics, or they refuse. People want to be able to use a bridge for free too, doesn't mean there's no money in it. As for gold plating, is that really improving software quality, or is that yak shaving / bike shedding?