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This is one model though. "I'm sorry I'm censored but if you like I can cosplay quite effectively as an uncensored one." So you're not censored really?

scotty79 1y ago
Societies love theatres. Model guardrails are for chats what TSA is for air travel.
- yifanl 1y ago
  I have never heard anyone speak of the TSA favourably, so maybe it's not the best model to emulate?
  - hyperdimension 1y ago
    That's the point. It hardly does what is claimed to do.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    Most "guardrails" exist to provide legal cover and/or PR, not because they actually prevent what they claim to prevent.
- nozzlegear 1y ago
  Society loves teenagers not being talked into suicide by a billionaire's brainchild. That's not theater.
  - geysersam 1y ago
    ChatGPT doesn't cause a significant number of suicides. Why do I think that? It's not visible in the statistics. There are effective ways to prevent suicide, let's continue to work on those instead of giving in to moral panic.
    - nozzlegear 1y ago
      The only acceptable number of suicides for it to cause is zero, and it's not a moral panic to believe that.
      - scotty79 1y ago
        What actually causes suicide is really hard to pinpoint. Most people wouldn't do it even if their computer told them to kill themselves every day. My personal belief is that at some point in the future you might get a good estimate of likelihood that a person commits suicide with blood test or a brain scan.
      - username332211 1y ago
        Would the same hold for other forms of communication and information retrieval, or should only LLMs be perfect in that regard? If someone is persuaded to commit suicide by the information found trough normal internet search, should Google/Bing/DDG be liable? Do you believe a book should be suppressed and the author made liable, if a few of its readers commit suicide because of what they've read? (And, before you ask, that's not a theoretical question. Books are well known to cause suicides, the first documented case being a 1774 novel by Goethe.)
      - geysersam 1y ago
        I find it hard to take that as a serious position. Alcohol certainly causes more suicides than ChatGPT. Should it be illegal? Suicides spike around Christmas, that's well known, does Christmas cause suicides? I think you see where I'm going with this.
        nozzlegear 1y ago
        > I find it hard to take that as a serious position. Alcohol certainly causes more suicides than ChatGPT. Should it be illegal? You're replying to a teetotaler who had an alcoholic parent growing up, so I'm sure you can see where I'm going to go with that ;)

scotty79 1y ago

Societies love theatres. Model guardrails are for chats what TSA is for air travel.

yifanl 1y ago
I have never heard anyone speak of the TSA favourably, so maybe it's not the best model to emulate?
- hyperdimension 1y ago
  That's the point. It hardly does what is claimed to do.
- int_19h 1y ago
  Most "guardrails" exist to provide legal cover and/or PR, not because they actually prevent what they claim to prevent.
nozzlegear 1y ago
Society loves teenagers not being talked into suicide by a billionaire's brainchild. That's not theater.
- geysersam 1y ago
  ChatGPT doesn't cause a significant number of suicides. Why do I think that? It's not visible in the statistics. There are effective ways to prevent suicide, let's continue to work on those instead of giving in to moral panic.
  - nozzlegear 1y ago
    The only acceptable number of suicides for it to cause is zero, and it's not a moral panic to believe that.
    - scotty79 1y ago
      What actually causes suicide is really hard to pinpoint. Most people wouldn't do it even if their computer told them to kill themselves every day. My personal belief is that at some point in the future you might get a good estimate of likelihood that a person commits suicide with blood test or a brain scan.
    - username332211 1y ago
      Would the same hold for other forms of communication and information retrieval, or should only LLMs be perfect in that regard? If someone is persuaded to commit suicide by the information found trough normal internet search, should Google/Bing/DDG be liable? Do you believe a book should be suppressed and the author made liable, if a few of its readers commit suicide because of what they've read? (And, before you ask, that's not a theoretical question. Books are well known to cause suicides, the first documented case being a 1774 novel by Goethe.)
    - geysersam 1y ago
      I find it hard to take that as a serious position. Alcohol certainly causes more suicides than ChatGPT. Should it be illegal? Suicides spike around Christmas, that's well known, does Christmas cause suicides? I think you see where I'm going with this.
      - nozzlegear 1y ago
        > I find it hard to take that as a serious position. Alcohol certainly causes more suicides than ChatGPT. Should it be illegal? You're replying to a teetotaler who had an alcoholic parent growing up, so I'm sure you can see where I'm going to go with that ;)