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I wonder what percentage of this can be attributed to "covid killed a lot of Americans (and emotionally destroyed more), covid was brought to the US by foreigne

I wonder what percentage of this can be attributed to "covid killed a lot of Americans (and emotionally destroyed more), covid was brought to the US by foreigners, we can no longer trust foreigners." I think processing our feelings around covid could help a lot.

krapp 1y ago
I think very little. Americans have been deeply prejudiced against foreigners ever since the founding of the country, every wave of immigration since the first has been met with hostility and violence. Trump was initially elected on a wave of xenophobic fear and hatred of South American immigrants. No, not just illegal immigrants either - that's a smokescreen. I do think you're right that the effects of covid will have long lasting cultural and political consequences, but the zeitgeist behind the backlash was already well established, and one must remember intentionally orchestrated to benefit certain political interests.
- Yeul 1y ago
  I think that's kinda unfair. There are civilized states like New York and California. Unfortunately the US has a strange system in which the most populous and economically vital parts of the country have the least influence in Washington...
  - krapp 1y ago
    >Unfortunately the US has a strange system in which the most populous and economically vital parts of the country have the least influence in Washington... We had to keep the slaveowning states happy or else they might secede - wait... It keeps populist demagogues from taking over - wait... I got nothing.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    >There are civilized states like New York and California What makes them more civilized than the other states? I think this elitist atitudine is exactly what got Trump supported from the other states. At least in my life I've never met anyone who would like me if I declared myself more civilized than them and they wouldn't spite me back for it. There's probably a good reason South Park crators depicted Californians as smelling their own farts in that episode.
    - myvoiceismypass 1y ago
      > What makes them more civilized than the other states? We can start with the fact that NY & CA still protect women's right to choose.

krapp 1y ago

I think very little. Americans have been deeply prejudiced against foreigners ever since the founding of the country, every wave of immigration since the first has been met with hostility and violence. Trump was initially elected on a wave of xenophobic fear and hatred of South American immigrants. No, not just illegal immigrants either - that's a smokescreen. I do think you're right that the effects of covid will have long lasting cultural and political consequences, but the zeitgeist behind the backlash was already well established, and one must remember intentionally orchestrated to benefit certain political interests.

Yeul 1y ago
I think that's kinda unfair. There are civilized states like New York and California. Unfortunately the US has a strange system in which the most populous and economically vital parts of the country have the least influence in Washington...
- krapp 1y ago
  >Unfortunately the US has a strange system in which the most populous and economically vital parts of the country have the least influence in Washington... We had to keep the slaveowning states happy or else they might secede - wait... It keeps populist demagogues from taking over - wait... I got nothing.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >There are civilized states like New York and California What makes them more civilized than the other states? I think this elitist atitudine is exactly what got Trump supported from the other states. At least in my life I've never met anyone who would like me if I declared myself more civilized than them and they wouldn't spite me back for it. There's probably a good reason South Park crators depicted Californians as smelling their own farts in that episode.
  - myvoiceismypass 1y ago
    > What makes them more civilized than the other states? We can start with the fact that NY & CA still protect women's right to choose.