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gibolt 1y ago
Pretty sure the DOGE intent was good, but real efforts were mostly sidelined for the Trump pony show. Thus the 'fighting' words that followed when the BBB tax cut showed up.
- apical_dendrite 1y ago
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  - gibolt 1y ago
    Consider what would have happened if Elon wasn't there. Likely the same. The people wanting those things cut are still present. I wish he hadn't gone along with them, but there likely had to be concessions before attempting to make progress. When it became clear cost savings and efficiency wasn't the actual goal in the White House, Elon left.
    - stephen_g 1y ago
      What do you mean "gone along with them"? Seems like a strange kind of reality-distortion to try and convince youself that Musk was misled into doing those terrible things as part of DOGE, when he actually just wanted to do it himself...
    - Qworg 1y ago
      Come now - you really believe that Elon saw DOGE as a good faith effort to cut costs in the government? For someone with such a vaunted intelligence, he was either dumb or complicit. "Working things out from first principles" would have had him leave after the very first step.
    - apical_dendrite 1y ago
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      - mythrwy 1y ago
        Any chance you could help keep this site political flamewar free? Not everyone agrees with you politically and it's unpleasant to have to wade through these kind of rants to read about interesting things. You have strong feelings, I get it, but please stop the pollution. I am trying my best to say this in a kind and sincere way. There are plenty of other places to make political rants.
        skywhopper 1y ago
        That was not a political rant. It was a summary of what actually happened.
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        apical_dendrite 1y ago
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      - oska 1y ago
        Please read / reread the site guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (There's one in the In Comments section that you're in clear breach of)
    - MPSimmons 1y ago
      Just because _someone_ is going to do something evil doesn't mean it has to be _you_. Every person has a choice, and he chose to do evil.
    - johnny22 1y ago
      Yes, and then we'd blame those people instead. He chose to do do that himself.
- vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
  DOGE never tried to do good work. It was a hit and run job to satisfy Musk's ego and get rid of stuff he personally doesn't like. It didn't save much money and didn't create any efficiency.
- skywhopper 1y ago
  You’ve been seriously misled or you’ve forgotten what happened. How did the illegal shutdown of USAID and the waste of billions of dollars of medicine, food, and health care for the poorest folks in the world come from good intentions? How did the irresponsible injection of inexperienced outsiders into the SSA come from good intentions? How is cancelling billions of ongoing federal contracts without cause and withholding payments for work already done an effect of good intent?
- mrheosuper 1y ago
  DOGE is the best example of Dunning-Kruger effect. A bunch of smart kids think they are better than everyone.
bamboozled 1y ago
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- itishappy 1y ago
  > fascists on the moon and private space industry? Yay Give me the Apollo era anytime. The Apollo program was built in no small part by Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
  - bamboozled 1y ago
    Were the outputs of the project privately owned by them after receiving massive levels of tax payer funding?
    - stinkbeetle 1y ago
      Before going further down this route, I think we should first establish what makes you the decider of the exact circumstances in which it is okay to collaborate with nazis, fund them, and install them into high positions in the government bureaucracy.
    - itishappy 1y ago
      I don't know who owned what, but many components of the Apollo era space program were manufactured by privately owned companies that received taxpayer funding: Grumman, Boeing, Rockwell, Douglass, and IBM to name a few.
      - bamboozled 1y ago
        I know the history well about the involvement of private contractors, the difference is that in the end, NASA, a government agency owned the tech and the public benefited massively from NASA and continues to benefit today. Basically every tax paying American was a shareholder in that greatness. I bet you one thing for sure, if this didn't have Elon Musk smell on it, and it was a government funded project, it would have 2500 upvotes. I can tell you that for sure. Just most people are afraid to speak their mind because...well you know, the flagging and down votes. Which I couldn't care less about, I think this whole down voting ideas you don't like game is rather stupid. This community has not evolved in years. 300 something upvotes for something "this big" as opposed to the 2500+ yesterday about Google's anti-side loading efforts should tell you that.
dang 1y ago
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait and generally using HN for political/ideological battle? You may not owe $ThatPerson better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Pretty sure the DOGE intent was good, but real efforts were mostly sidelined for the Trump pony show. Thus the 'fighting' words that followed when the BBB tax cut showed up.

apical_dendrite 1y ago
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- gibolt 1y ago
  Consider what would have happened if Elon wasn't there. Likely the same. The people wanting those things cut are still present. I wish he hadn't gone along with them, but there likely had to be concessions before attempting to make progress. When it became clear cost savings and efficiency wasn't the actual goal in the White House, Elon left.
  - stephen_g 1y ago
    What do you mean "gone along with them"? Seems like a strange kind of reality-distortion to try and convince youself that Musk was misled into doing those terrible things as part of DOGE, when he actually just wanted to do it himself...
  - Qworg 1y ago
    Come now - you really believe that Elon saw DOGE as a good faith effort to cut costs in the government? For someone with such a vaunted intelligence, he was either dumb or complicit. "Working things out from first principles" would have had him leave after the very first step.
  - apical_dendrite 1y ago
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    - mythrwy 1y ago
      Any chance you could help keep this site political flamewar free? Not everyone agrees with you politically and it's unpleasant to have to wade through these kind of rants to read about interesting things. You have strong feelings, I get it, but please stop the pollution. I am trying my best to say this in a kind and sincere way. There are plenty of other places to make political rants.
      - skywhopper 1y ago
        That was not a political rant. It was a summary of what actually happened.
        deleted 1y ago
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      - apical_dendrite 1y ago
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    - oska 1y ago
      Please read / reread the site guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (There's one in the In Comments section that you're in clear breach of)
  - MPSimmons 1y ago
    Just because _someone_ is going to do something evil doesn't mean it has to be _you_. Every person has a choice, and he chose to do evil.
  - johnny22 1y ago
    Yes, and then we'd blame those people instead. He chose to do do that himself.
vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
DOGE never tried to do good work. It was a hit and run job to satisfy Musk's ego and get rid of stuff he personally doesn't like. It didn't save much money and didn't create any efficiency.
skywhopper 1y ago
You’ve been seriously misled or you’ve forgotten what happened. How did the illegal shutdown of USAID and the waste of billions of dollars of medicine, food, and health care for the poorest folks in the world come from good intentions? How did the irresponsible injection of inexperienced outsiders into the SSA come from good intentions? How is cancelling billions of ongoing federal contracts without cause and withholding payments for work already done an effect of good intent?
mrheosuper 1y ago
DOGE is the best example of Dunning-Kruger effect. A bunch of smart kids think they are better than everyone.

bamboozled 1y ago

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itishappy 1y ago
> fascists on the moon and private space industry? Yay Give me the Apollo era anytime. The Apollo program was built in no small part by Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
- bamboozled 1y ago
  Were the outputs of the project privately owned by them after receiving massive levels of tax payer funding?
  - stinkbeetle 1y ago
    Before going further down this route, I think we should first establish what makes you the decider of the exact circumstances in which it is okay to collaborate with nazis, fund them, and install them into high positions in the government bureaucracy.
  - itishappy 1y ago
    I don't know who owned what, but many components of the Apollo era space program were manufactured by privately owned companies that received taxpayer funding: Grumman, Boeing, Rockwell, Douglass, and IBM to name a few.
    - bamboozled 1y ago
      I know the history well about the involvement of private contractors, the difference is that in the end, NASA, a government agency owned the tech and the public benefited massively from NASA and continues to benefit today. Basically every tax paying American was a shareholder in that greatness. I bet you one thing for sure, if this didn't have Elon Musk smell on it, and it was a government funded project, it would have 2500 upvotes. I can tell you that for sure. Just most people are afraid to speak their mind because...well you know, the flagging and down votes. Which I couldn't care less about, I think this whole down voting ideas you don't like game is rather stupid. This community has not evolved in years. 300 something upvotes for something "this big" as opposed to the 2500+ yesterday about Google's anti-side loading efforts should tell you that.

dang 1y ago

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait and generally using HN for political/ideological battle? You may not owe $ThatPerson better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.