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Maybe we should avoid training AI with AI-generated content: that's a use case I would defend. Still I believe MIME would be the right place to say something a

Maybe we should avoid training AI with AI-generated content: that's a use case I would defend. Still I believe MIME would be the right place to say something about the Media, rather than the Transport protocol. On a lighter note: we should consider second order consequences. The EU commission will demand its own EU-AI-Disclosure header be send to EU citizens, and will require consent from the user before showing him AI generated stuff. UK will require age validation before showing AI stuff to protect the children's brains. France will use the header to compute a new tax on AI generated content, due by all online platform who want to show AI generated content to french citizens. That's a Pandora box I wouldn't even talk about, much less open...

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blibble 1y ago
> Maybe we should avoid training AI with AI-generated content: that's a use case I would defend. if this takes off I'll: - tag my actual content (so they won't train on it) - not tag my infinite spider web of automatically generated slop output (so it'll poison the models) win win!
- ronsor 1y ago
  then they'll start ignoring the header and it'll be useless (of course, it was never going to be useful)
ronsor 1y ago
> The EU commission will demand its own EU-AI-Disclosure header be send to EU citizens, and will require consent from the user before showing him AI generated stuff. UK will require age validation before showing AI stuff to protect the children's brains. France will use the header to compute a new tax on AI generated content, due by all online platform who want to show AI generated content to french citizens. I think the recent drama related to the UK's Online Safety Act has shown that people are getting sick of country-specific laws simply for serving content. The most likely outcome is sites either block those regions or ignore the laws, realizing there is no practical enforcement avenue.
giancarlostoro 1y ago
It depends but for example if I wanted to train a LoRa that outputs a certain art style from a specific model, I have no issue with this being done. Its not like you are making a model from scratch.
paulddraper 1y ago
Content-Type/MIME type is for the format. There are dedicated headers for other properties, e.g. language.
- weddpros 1y ago
  Actually you're 100% correct. Feels weird to me that encoding is part of MIME, but language isn't, although I understand why.
  - paulddraper 1y ago
    Yeah. The reason is that charset is a specific to text types. Language can apply to many media. Though FWIW, I think the Content-Encoding header is basically a mistake, should should been Content-Transform.

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blibble 1y ago

> Maybe we should avoid training AI with AI-generated content: that's a use case I would defend. if this takes off I'll: - tag my actual content (so they won't train on it) - not tag my infinite spider web of automatically generated slop output (so it'll poison the models) win win!

ronsor 1y ago
then they'll start ignoring the header and it'll be useless (of course, it was never going to be useful)

ronsor 1y ago

> The EU commission will demand its own EU-AI-Disclosure header be send to EU citizens, and will require consent from the user before showing him AI generated stuff. UK will require age validation before showing AI stuff to protect the children's brains. France will use the header to compute a new tax on AI generated content, due by all online platform who want to show AI generated content to french citizens. I think the recent drama related to the UK's Online Safety Act has shown that people are getting sick of country-specific laws simply for serving content. The most likely outcome is sites either block those regions or ignore the laws, realizing there is no practical enforcement avenue.

giancarlostoro 1y ago

It depends but for example if I wanted to train a LoRa that outputs a certain art style from a specific model, I have no issue with this being done. Its not like you are making a model from scratch.

paulddraper 1y ago

Content-Type/MIME type is for the format. There are dedicated headers for other properties, e.g. language.

weddpros 1y ago
Actually you're 100% correct. Feels weird to me that encoding is part of MIME, but language isn't, although I understand why.
- paulddraper 1y ago
  Yeah. The reason is that charset is a specific to text types. Language can apply to many media. Though FWIW, I think the Content-Encoding header is basically a mistake, should should been Content-Transform.