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We Are Headed Towards a System of National Capitalism

13 points by vehbisarikaya 1y ago

SilverElfin 1y ago
This just seems like it is filling in the gradient between a completely free market system and a pure centralized command economy. I guess it is also expected. If you look at China, the CCP is deploying capital through state owned companies and other means, and they’re achieving a lot due to the ability to grow companies and industries that otherwise have no chance in a market economy. And if you’re another country competing with China, you have to do the same thing or you’ll simply not have certain industries. And that creates risk. Look at America with mining, ship building, nuclear power, or other areas where it is deficient.
sc68cal 1y ago
The end state of capitalism is the union between the state and big business. It's what happened in Nazi Germany
- derelicta 1y ago
  And with it come Monsters...
  - taskforcegemini 1y ago
    seems to be the other way around
- umeshunni 1y ago
  Are Americans capable of making any analogies other than with Nazi Germany? Is that all the history they teach in American schools?
  - _mlbt 1y ago
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  - avmich 1y ago
    It seems lately a lot of comparisons are with Nazi Germany. And there are many questions, they repeat, if people can do any other comparisons. Can those asking stop for a moment and think, why we have such a situation? One of the reasons would be that, indeed, we're in a point in time when parallels with Nazi Germany can well be argued for. Political and historical processes are relatively slow, so for us, humans, ten years could seem a lot - we're saying "it's all the time, already for ten years!" - while historically such a period isn't considered long in many cases. In America we don't have the situation of post-WWI Germany, with the rest of Europe mostly ignoring Hitler's preparations, so the struggle in USA looks like a significantly slowed down movie. Step from one side, counterstep from another. Another step, success or retreat again. Counterstep - success or not. There is a trend, but it's slow and, naturally, exploratory - the situation doesn't repeat anywhere near exactly. So do we still have grounds to compare the situation with Nazi Germany? What to do? Is it reasonable to label the side "crying wolf" and dismiss them as detached from reality - or does it make sense to take care with serious accusations, figure out what's going on lately - particularly in America - and do the first principles analysis, if the comparison with Nazi Germany is justified? And how much? Wouldn't sometimes better to be cautious and wrong instead of careless and unprepared? Which history people learn anywhere, not only in USA? The history teach that we don't learn on the history lessons, but - do we study the Nazi Germany enough to not want any kind of it coming back?
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13 points by vehbisarikaya 1y ago

This just seems like it is filling in the gradient between a completely free market system and a pure centralized command economy. I guess it is also expected. If you look at China, the CCP is deploying capital through state owned companies and other means, and they’re achieving a lot due to the ability to grow companies and industries that otherwise have no chance in a market economy. And if you’re another country competing with China, you have to do the same thing or you’ll simply not have certain industries. And that creates risk. Look at America with mining, ship building, nuclear power, or other areas where it is deficient.

sc68cal 1y ago

The end state of capitalism is the union between the state and big business. It's what happened in Nazi Germany

derelicta 1y ago
And with it come Monsters...
- taskforcegemini 1y ago
  seems to be the other way around
umeshunni 1y ago
Are Americans capable of making any analogies other than with Nazi Germany? Is that all the history they teach in American schools?
- _mlbt 1y ago
  [flagged]
- avmich 1y ago
  It seems lately a lot of comparisons are with Nazi Germany. And there are many questions, they repeat, if people can do any other comparisons. Can those asking stop for a moment and think, why we have such a situation? One of the reasons would be that, indeed, we're in a point in time when parallels with Nazi Germany can well be argued for. Political and historical processes are relatively slow, so for us, humans, ten years could seem a lot - we're saying "it's all the time, already for ten years!" - while historically such a period isn't considered long in many cases. In America we don't have the situation of post-WWI Germany, with the rest of Europe mostly ignoring Hitler's preparations, so the struggle in USA looks like a significantly slowed down movie. Step from one side, counterstep from another. Another step, success or retreat again. Counterstep - success or not. There is a trend, but it's slow and, naturally, exploratory - the situation doesn't repeat anywhere near exactly. So do we still have grounds to compare the situation with Nazi Germany? What to do? Is it reasonable to label the side "crying wolf" and dismiss them as detached from reality - or does it make sense to take care with serious accusations, figure out what's going on lately - particularly in America - and do the first principles analysis, if the comparison with Nazi Germany is justified? And how much? Wouldn't sometimes better to be cautious and wrong instead of careless and unprepared? Which history people learn anywhere, not only in USA? The history teach that we don't learn on the history lessons, but - do we study the Nazi Germany enough to not want any kind of it coming back?
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