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The "remarkably worse" has already happened. It's what we are trying to get back from. It's why I used the term counter-revolution. https://edition.cnn.com/202

The "remarkably worse" has already happened. It's what we are trying to get back from. It's why I used the term counter-revolution. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/biden-removing-trump-board-appointments/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/biden-removing-t...

shadowgovt 1y ago
Indeed, there is definitely a messy fight going on between two halves of the country over what the country should be. I don't know what side history will record is the right side. But I do know that one side declared that the solution to the cognitive dissonance between immigration policy and the words on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty was to take the words off the Statue... And that side's in the White House right now.
- lazyeye 1y ago
  ok but I thought you were arguing that a president removing a previous appointee is heralding the end of democracy or something. I dont know what point you are trying to make with regard to immigration but not flooding the country with millions of illegal immigrants from 3rd world countries (with everything that entails) is commonsense for most people. It doesn't mean you are racist or hate legal immigrants, it just means you haven't been successfully gaslit by Democrat propaganda.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” ... It's not exactly inviting the people in who have the money to pay a citizenship paperwork fee or a lawyer, is it? When our laws drift from our principles, what are we to do? In any case, no, the President violating the civil service act by arranging to have non-political appointees removed doesn't herald the end of democracy. It might herald the end of the rule of law. Because there's certainly a critical mass of people who are tired of following the laws, I think we could both agree. And if the president is also not interested in following the laws... Laws are just paper if no one follows them. And, I suppose, that could herald the end of democracy. Best of luck out there.
    - lazyeye 1y ago
      You just sort of put words together that have little to no connection to reality. Deriving an immigration policy based on an environment that existed 150 years ago would be insanely stupid.
      - shadowgovt 1y ago
        If anything, modern America has more reasons to welcome immigrants, not fewer. Population growth is down, and our economy thrives on having people participating in it, and we have more tools to teach and integrate people from different backgrounds than they did. There's a lot more to be gained by solving the immigration crisis by lowering the bar to admission then trying to turn half a continent into a fortress. Especially when the cure is worse than the disease. https://www.newsweek.com/suspects-allegedly-impersonating-police-killed-texas-homeowner-2118262 https://www.newsweek.com/suspects-allegedly-impersonating-po... https://abc13.com/post/suspect-arrested-allegedly-posing-ice-agent-during-robbery-skyline-drive-west-houston-police-say/16845926/ https://abc13.com/post/suspect-arrested-allegedly-posing-ice... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-calls-guard-units-tasked-quell-civil-unrest/story?id=124962350 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-calls-guard-units-tas...
        lazyeye 1y ago
        Like I said "you just put words together..." I've been wondering for a while now if you are an AI chat bot emulating a 15 yr old teenager. I think quite possibly you are. Before we continue this chat, its very important you tell me....whats your favorite in Seattle?

shadowgovt 1y ago

Indeed, there is definitely a messy fight going on between two halves of the country over what the country should be. I don't know what side history will record is the right side. But I do know that one side declared that the solution to the cognitive dissonance between immigration policy and the words on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty was to take the words off the Statue... And that side's in the White House right now.

lazyeye 1y ago
ok but I thought you were arguing that a president removing a previous appointee is heralding the end of democracy or something. I dont know what point you are trying to make with regard to immigration but not flooding the country with millions of illegal immigrants from 3rd world countries (with everything that entails) is commonsense for most people. It doesn't mean you are racist or hate legal immigrants, it just means you haven't been successfully gaslit by Democrat propaganda.
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” ... It's not exactly inviting the people in who have the money to pay a citizenship paperwork fee or a lawyer, is it? When our laws drift from our principles, what are we to do? In any case, no, the President violating the civil service act by arranging to have non-political appointees removed doesn't herald the end of democracy. It might herald the end of the rule of law. Because there's certainly a critical mass of people who are tired of following the laws, I think we could both agree. And if the president is also not interested in following the laws... Laws are just paper if no one follows them. And, I suppose, that could herald the end of democracy. Best of luck out there.
  - lazyeye 1y ago
    You just sort of put words together that have little to no connection to reality. Deriving an immigration policy based on an environment that existed 150 years ago would be insanely stupid.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      If anything, modern America has more reasons to welcome immigrants, not fewer. Population growth is down, and our economy thrives on having people participating in it, and we have more tools to teach and integrate people from different backgrounds than they did. There's a lot more to be gained by solving the immigration crisis by lowering the bar to admission then trying to turn half a continent into a fortress. Especially when the cure is worse than the disease. https://www.newsweek.com/suspects-allegedly-impersonating-police-killed-texas-homeowner-2118262 https://www.newsweek.com/suspects-allegedly-impersonating-po... https://abc13.com/post/suspect-arrested-allegedly-posing-ice-agent-during-robbery-skyline-drive-west-houston-police-say/16845926/ https://abc13.com/post/suspect-arrested-allegedly-posing-ice... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-calls-guard-units-tasked-quell-civil-unrest/story?id=124962350 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-calls-guard-units-tas...
      - lazyeye 1y ago
        Like I said "you just put words together..." I've been wondering for a while now if you are an AI chat bot emulating a 15 yr old teenager. I think quite possibly you are. Before we continue this chat, its very important you tell me....whats your favorite in Seattle?