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They have some responsibility because they’re selling and framing these as more than the better-tuned variant on Markov chain generators that they in fucking fa

They have some responsibility because they’re selling and framing these as more than the better-tuned variant on Markov chain generators that they in fucking fact are, while offering access to them to anybody who signs up while knowing that many users misunderstand what they’re dealing with (in part because these companies’ hype-meisters, like Altman, are bullshitting us)

idle_zealot 1y ago
No, that's the level of responsibility they ought to have if they were releasing these models as products. As-is they've used a service model, and should be held to the same standards as if there were a human employee on the other end of the chat interface. Cut through the technical obfuscation. They are 100% responsible for the output of their service endpoints. This isn't a case of making a tool that can be used for good or ill, and it's not them providing some intermediary or messaging service like a forum with multiple human users and limited capacity for moderation. This is a direct consumer to business service. Treating it as anything else will open the floodgates to slapping an "AI" label on anything any organization doesn't want to be held accountable for.
- slipperydippery 1y ago
  I like this framing even better. This is similar to my take on things like Facebook apparently not being able to operate without psychologically destroying moderators. If that’s true… seems like they just shouldn’t operate, then. If you’re putting up a service that you know will attempt to present itself as being capable of things it isn’t… seems like you should get in a shitload of trouble for that? Like maybe don’t do it at all? Maybe don’t unleash services you can’t constrain in ways that you definitely ought to?
  - blackqueeriroh 1y ago
    But understand that things like Facebook not operating doesn’t actually make the world any safer. In fact, it makes it less safe, because the same behavior is happening on the open internet and nobody is moderating it.
    - drw85 1y ago
      I don't think this is true anymore. Facebook have gone so far down the 'algorithmic control' rabbit hole, it would most definitely be better if they weren't operating anymore. They destroy people that don't question things with their algorithm driven bubble of misinformation.
      - blackqueeriroh 1y ago
        And you think the people who don’t question things would suddenly have more accurate information?

idle_zealot 1y ago

No, that's the level of responsibility they ought to have if they were releasing these models as products. As-is they've used a service model, and should be held to the same standards as if there were a human employee on the other end of the chat interface. Cut through the technical obfuscation. They are 100% responsible for the output of their service endpoints. This isn't a case of making a tool that can be used for good or ill, and it's not them providing some intermediary or messaging service like a forum with multiple human users and limited capacity for moderation. This is a direct consumer to business service. Treating it as anything else will open the floodgates to slapping an "AI" label on anything any organization doesn't want to be held accountable for.

slipperydippery 1y ago
I like this framing even better. This is similar to my take on things like Facebook apparently not being able to operate without psychologically destroying moderators. If that’s true… seems like they just shouldn’t operate, then. If you’re putting up a service that you know will attempt to present itself as being capable of things it isn’t… seems like you should get in a shitload of trouble for that? Like maybe don’t do it at all? Maybe don’t unleash services you can’t constrain in ways that you definitely ought to?
- blackqueeriroh 1y ago
  But understand that things like Facebook not operating doesn’t actually make the world any safer. In fact, it makes it less safe, because the same behavior is happening on the open internet and nobody is moderating it.
  - drw85 1y ago
    I don't think this is true anymore. Facebook have gone so far down the 'algorithmic control' rabbit hole, it would most definitely be better if they weren't operating anymore. They destroy people that don't question things with their algorithm driven bubble of misinformation.
    - blackqueeriroh 1y ago
      And you think the people who don’t question things would suddenly have more accurate information?