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Beautiful and clean website (loads well without JS and fonts); not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... I swear, HN crowd can be often

Beautiful and clean website (loads well without JS and fonts); not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... I swear, HN crowd can be often worse than Mean Girls. About Artanis itself... It looks really cool! Scheme is such a nice language to code and hack with; but, how safe would it be to expose it directly? I see they are dogfooding on the Guix packages website, so... I'm guessing it's pretty well tested.

edoloughlin 1y ago
> not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... As another commenter pointed out, the poem is a parody of a Yeats poem. An an extract from another of his poems might offer some insight into the reactions... What need you, being come to sense, But fumble in a greasy till And add the halfpence to the pence And prayer to shivering prayer, until You have dried the marrow from the bone
neilv 1y ago
> Scheme is such a nice language to code and hack with; but, how safe would it be to expose it directly? If you have really good Scheme programmers, who know their system, and built it competently, it's probably safer to expose that than your average conventional system. (Example: A system in Scheme was the first to get a particular certification for sensitive data hosting on cloud servers. Partly because the very small team that developed it knew the stack inside and out, and could do whatever needed to be done, in a smart way.) (Meanwhile, say, a consulting firm-led team who got a contract for a comparably complex system, and billed for 10 or 100 times the seat-warmers, with huge and ridiculously complex stacks they didn't understand... would just flounder, focus on appearances in sprint tasks, and churn out things implemented in poor ways, and with a large number of vulnerabilities, and probably take a lot longer before they could deliver a system that would survive the first day of use.)
- evertedsphere 1y ago
  > A system in Scheme was the first to get a particular certification for sensitive data hosting on cloud servers. What system was this?
- zeroq 1y ago
  In my experience this sentiment could be applied to anything. It's more about getting paid for "getting thing done" versus "working on thing". I have particular personal experience with an app that could be done within several months with handful of people but was developed over several years by team of 50. I was flabbergasted at first but you need to understand politics first.
  - nine_k 1y ago
    I can't fail to remember a joke about a law firm where the son of the most senior partner graduates from an ivy league university, joins the firm, and on the first day says he single-handedly sorted out one long-standing case. His father is angry: "You have just put an end to the case which was feeding us for last three years!"
29athrowaway 1y ago
- The text is unusually large. - Irrelevant noise at the beginning of the landing page. - "What is it" is under the FAQ section, which has a heading that is the same size as the parent heading. - It consumes all horizontal space.
- plumbees 1y ago
  I can finally read a website without squinting despite having glasses on already. Yay!
  - 29athrowaway 1y ago
    Press Ctrl/Cmd +
  - busterarm 1y ago
    As a newly old, I really appreciate websites with large text.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      It's your user agent. You decide how large and in which fonts webpages are rendered.
- fiddlerwoaroof 1y ago
  The very first text on the page tells you what it is: “ GNU Artanis - A fast web application framework for Scheme”
- bigstrat2003 1y ago
  > It consumes all horizontal space. That's a great thing. Sites which restrict text to a narrow column are a horrible reading experience. I have a large monitor and I wish to use a large monitor!
  - TheBicPen 1y ago
    Unlimited line length results in poor readability, and is a UX failure on large monitors. Limiting the number of characters per line makes the text easier to read. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234578707_Optimal_Line_Length_in_Reading--A_Literature_Review https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234578707_Optimal_L...
Tadpole9181 1y ago
> not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... It's a weird time for art. A lot of people's immediate reaction to genuine expression these days is "cringe". I suppose that's always been the case to some degree, but it feels more prevalent now with internet-level attention span and broadcasting breadth.
- nine_k 1y ago
  Facing an avalanche of troubling, attention-grabbing, manipulative, and often misleading information, people protect their sanity by irony and nonchalance. A genuine expression, which does not employ irony and invites the reader to also cast away the shield of cynicism, feels both like an attack and the pull of something desirable but unattainable. The resulting pain, modulated by the protective irony, is expressed as cringe.
tonyhart7 1y ago
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- IncreasePosts 1y ago
  I'll help stop toxic positivity by calling your post stupid and down voting you.
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
    [flagged]
jinpa_zangpo 1y ago
The poem is a parody of the first lines of Yeat's poem, "Sailing to Byzantium": That is no country for old men. The young In one another's arms, birds in the trees, —Those dying generations—at their song

edoloughlin 1y ago

> not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... As another commenter pointed out, the poem is a parody of a Yeats poem. An an extract from another of his poems might offer some insight into the reactions... What need you, being come to sense, But fumble in a greasy till And add the halfpence to the pence And prayer to shivering prayer, until You have dried the marrow from the bone

neilv 1y ago

> Scheme is such a nice language to code and hack with; but, how safe would it be to expose it directly? If you have really good Scheme programmers, who know their system, and built it competently, it's probably safer to expose that than your average conventional system. (Example: A system in Scheme was the first to get a particular certification for sensitive data hosting on cloud servers. Partly because the very small team that developed it knew the stack inside and out, and could do whatever needed to be done, in a smart way.) (Meanwhile, say, a consulting firm-led team who got a contract for a comparably complex system, and billed for 10 or 100 times the seat-warmers, with huge and ridiculously complex stacks they didn't understand... would just flounder, focus on appearances in sprint tasks, and churn out things implemented in poor ways, and with a large number of vulnerabilities, and probably take a lot longer before they could deliver a system that would survive the first day of use.)

evertedsphere 1y ago
> A system in Scheme was the first to get a particular certification for sensitive data hosting on cloud servers. What system was this?
zeroq 1y ago
In my experience this sentiment could be applied to anything. It's more about getting paid for "getting thing done" versus "working on thing". I have particular personal experience with an app that could be done within several months with handful of people but was developed over several years by team of 50. I was flabbergasted at first but you need to understand politics first.
- nine_k 1y ago
  I can't fail to remember a joke about a law firm where the son of the most senior partner graduates from an ivy league university, joins the firm, and on the first day says he single-handedly sorted out one long-standing case. His father is angry: "You have just put an end to the case which was feeding us for last three years!"

29athrowaway 1y ago

- The text is unusually large. - Irrelevant noise at the beginning of the landing page. - "What is it" is under the FAQ section, which has a heading that is the same size as the parent heading. - It consumes all horizontal space.

plumbees 1y ago
I can finally read a website without squinting despite having glasses on already. Yay!
- 29athrowaway 1y ago
  Press Ctrl/Cmd +
- busterarm 1y ago
  As a newly old, I really appreciate websites with large text.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    It's your user agent. You decide how large and in which fonts webpages are rendered.
fiddlerwoaroof 1y ago
The very first text on the page tells you what it is: “ GNU Artanis - A fast web application framework for Scheme”
bigstrat2003 1y ago
> It consumes all horizontal space. That's a great thing. Sites which restrict text to a narrow column are a horrible reading experience. I have a large monitor and I wish to use a large monitor!
- TheBicPen 1y ago
  Unlimited line length results in poor readability, and is a UX failure on large monitors. Limiting the number of characters per line makes the text easier to read. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234578707_Optimal_Line_Length_in_Reading--A_Literature_Review https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234578707_Optimal_L...

Tadpole9181 1y ago

> not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... It's a weird time for art. A lot of people's immediate reaction to genuine expression these days is "cringe". I suppose that's always been the case to some degree, but it feels more prevalent now with internet-level attention span and broadcasting breadth.

nine_k 1y ago
Facing an avalanche of troubling, attention-grabbing, manipulative, and often misleading information, people protect their sanity by irony and nonchalance. A genuine expression, which does not employ irony and invites the reader to also cast away the shield of cynicism, feels both like an attack and the pull of something desirable but unattainable. The resulting pain, modulated by the protective irony, is expressed as cringe.

tonyhart7 1y ago

[flagged]

IncreasePosts 1y ago
I'll help stop toxic positivity by calling your post stupid and down voting you.
- tonyhart7 1y ago
  [flagged]

jinpa_zangpo 1y ago

The poem is a parody of the first lines of Yeat's poem, "Sailing to Byzantium": That is no country for old men. The young In one another's arms, birds in the trees, —Those dying generations—at their song