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Too little, too late.

SoftwareMaven 14y ago
Perhaps for some. Others might realize that humans make mistakes. Marco overreacted; there is no question. He made a poor decision. This is not something I am aware of him having done with regards to Instapaper at any other time (I could be wrong; I don't follow Instapaper super-closely, but I would have expected to see it here like this one). So a first mistake, with a reasonable explanation, a sincere apology and a promise not to repeat (my reading; yours may differ) is "too little, too late"?
- FrankBooth 14y ago
  Abusing your power as a developer for a personal vendetta is not acceptable, and the fact that it happened demonstrates a lack of taste and self control that suggests one should not trust that person in the future. An apology doesn't fix this, something more is needed to repair trust. Making the opt-out list public might be a start - one wonders how many other sites the developer has used this tactic against.
  - teh_klev 14y ago
    I agree, Roy Fielding could take a leaf out of Marco's book and admit he was wrong too: https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/a381ff35fa4d50a5f7b9f64300dfd98859dee8d0 https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/a381ff35fa4d50a5f7b9f... That's another example of abusing your trusted position. Just because you're having a bun fight somewhere else doesn't give you the right introduce "fuck you" changes to your app that affect end users.
    - Johngibb 14y ago
      Wow, I hadn't heard about that Apache situation. That's not ok....
dasil003 14y ago
Better late than never.
pooriaazimi 14y ago
Guess what? Humans aren't perfect. We're not kids, and we know we're not living in an ideal world. We all make mistakes, we say and do stupid things. Should we be punished for the first lie/mistake we make, or only when we lie/make mistakes most of the time? In the last two years, I've paid less than 20 or 30 dollars for Instapaper, and every single penny was worth it (I can't emphasize enough). It was the first "mistake" I remember that Marco's made running Instapaper (which was for the longest time, a one-man business). If he makes 5 or 10 more mistakes, I'll move to a competitor. But punishing him for just one tiny overreaction? That's not reasonable IMO (considering that I don't expect to use products made by übermen (super-humans), and would be quite thankful if others didn't expect the same thing from me). I'll accept his apology (and understand his line of reasoning) and move on. He has 50 +'s and on -, that's still 49 +'s!
homosaur 14y ago
Yeah, because lord knows that a tiny minuscule slice of the world known as Instapaper users couldn't view a 3rd tier Apple rumors site for a few hours is maybe the worst thing to ever happen to the Internet ever.

Perhaps for some. Others might realize that humans make mistakes. Marco overreacted; there is no question. He made a poor decision. This is not something I am aware of him having done with regards to Instapaper at any other time (I could be wrong; I don't follow Instapaper super-closely, but I would have expected to see it here like this one). So a first mistake, with a reasonable explanation, a sincere apology and a promise not to repeat (my reading; yours may differ) is "too little, too late"?

FrankBooth 14y ago
Abusing your power as a developer for a personal vendetta is not acceptable, and the fact that it happened demonstrates a lack of taste and self control that suggests one should not trust that person in the future. An apology doesn't fix this, something more is needed to repair trust. Making the opt-out list public might be a start - one wonders how many other sites the developer has used this tactic against.
- teh_klev 14y ago
  I agree, Roy Fielding could take a leaf out of Marco's book and admit he was wrong too: https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/a381ff35fa4d50a5f7b9f64300dfd98859dee8d0 https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/a381ff35fa4d50a5f7b9f... That's another example of abusing your trusted position. Just because you're having a bun fight somewhere else doesn't give you the right introduce "fuck you" changes to your app that affect end users.
  - Johngibb 14y ago
    Wow, I hadn't heard about that Apache situation. That's not ok....

dasil003 14y ago

Better late than never.

pooriaazimi 14y ago

Guess what? Humans aren't perfect. We're not kids, and we know we're not living in an ideal world. We all make mistakes, we say and do stupid things. Should we be punished for the first lie/mistake we make, or only when we lie/make mistakes most of the time? In the last two years, I've paid less than 20 or 30 dollars for Instapaper, and every single penny was worth it (I can't emphasize enough). It was the first "mistake" I remember that Marco's made running Instapaper (which was for the longest time, a one-man business). If he makes 5 or 10 more mistakes, I'll move to a competitor. But punishing him for just one tiny overreaction? That's not reasonable IMO (considering that I don't expect to use products made by übermen (super-humans), and would be quite thankful if others didn't expect the same thing from me). I'll accept his apology (and understand his line of reasoning) and move on. He has 50 +'s and on -, that's still 49 +'s!

homosaur 14y ago

Yeah, because lord knows that a tiny minuscule slice of the world known as Instapaper users couldn't view a 3rd tier Apple rumors site for a few hours is maybe the worst thing to ever happen to the Internet ever.