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"Borges warned in the complaint that if this information were compromised, “it is possible that the sensitive [personally identifiable information] on every Ame

by 833 1y ago

"Borges warned in the complaint that if this information were compromised, “it is possible that the sensitive [personally identifiable information] on every American including health diagnoses, income levels and banking information, family relationships, and personal biographic data could be exposed publicly, and shared widely.”" Yeah, but this is always true. And it didn't happen.

cjbenedikt 1y ago
"Yeah, but this is always true. And it didn't happen." Yet!
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daveguy 1y ago
I'd rather a bunch of move fast and break things short-sighted dipshits didn't make the risk higher, but here we are.
- tombert 1y ago
  I hate that the Move Fast And Break Shit motto is so demonized now. I think if what you’re working on is very low stakes, e.g. the initial versions of Facebook, or an AI music generator app, and maybe even marketing, it’s not unreasonable to try and move really quickly because the likelihood of real damage is pretty low. Of course when you’re dealing with money or social security data or medical stuff, it’s different; that stuff is very much “move slow and don’t break anything!”
  - daveguy 1y ago
    To be fair. "Move Fast and Break Shit" was a garbage motto to begin with. Maybe better to be at least slow enough to realize the consequences of a broken app. If you're moving too fast and breaking too much shit, you won't know you have a suicide-assitance app until it's too late. So, it was a garbage motto to begin with and it's about time it's been taken down a notch, in my opinion. How about move fast and test/verify/validate shit instead? That way the entrepreneurs don't have to go full sociopath.
    - lesuorac 1y ago
      Meh, its fine for a company to be honest about their development process. Most companies nowendays claim to be "Move Fast and don't break shit" when in reality they're "Move Fast and Break Shit". See the whole CrowdStrike debacle [1], both sides of that lawsuit are in the wrong here. Crowdstrike shouldn't've down a rapid deployment like that and Delta wasn't supposed to use the Falcon Agent on those systems. They both choose to move fast without verification and broke stuff. Neither of them are going to say that "Move Fast and Break Shit" is their style but it is! [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_v._Crowdstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_v._Crowdstrike
    - tombert 1y ago
      I don’t think that enterprise slowness and “verification” would prevent a suicide assistance application in this particular case, unless they were specifically testing for that which could be missed even with a rigid testing structure. > How about move fast and test/verify/validate shit instead? Because that inherently isn’t moving fast. I don’t completely agree with the “Move Fast And Break Shit” mantra myself, but I think it comes out of genuine frustrations from the enterprise world. I worked at a BigTechCo [1] in the past, and it felt like I would spend twenty minutes doing a ticket, and it would take two days for everyone to “verify” my PR. Even doing a quick fix for a null pointer exception can take three or four days to get deployed as a result of this. The stuff I was working on was not high stakes. I wasn’t dealing with money or medicine or pacemakers or weather analysis or anything like that. The Move Fast and Break Shit stuff comes as a bit of an overcorrection on this, but I think fundamentally the idea is that a lot of this stuff really isn’t that important, and it’s better to just deploy something that “probably works” and fix problems as they happen. [1] It’s not too hard to find based on my post history but I politely ask you do not post specifics here.
      - gibbitz 1y ago
        > but I think it comes out of genuine frustrations from the enterprise world. Yet politicians continue to act like the government should operate like a business and for some reason all of us working in corporate America think this is a good idea...
nxobject 1y ago
A culture of "we did something we shouldn't have done, but nothing happened this time" is how disasters happen.

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cjbenedikt 1y ago

"Yeah, but this is always true. And it didn't happen." Yet!

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daveguy 1y ago

I'd rather a bunch of move fast and break things short-sighted dipshits didn't make the risk higher, but here we are.

tombert 1y ago
I hate that the Move Fast And Break Shit motto is so demonized now. I think if what you’re working on is very low stakes, e.g. the initial versions of Facebook, or an AI music generator app, and maybe even marketing, it’s not unreasonable to try and move really quickly because the likelihood of real damage is pretty low. Of course when you’re dealing with money or social security data or medical stuff, it’s different; that stuff is very much “move slow and don’t break anything!”
- daveguy 1y ago
  To be fair. "Move Fast and Break Shit" was a garbage motto to begin with. Maybe better to be at least slow enough to realize the consequences of a broken app. If you're moving too fast and breaking too much shit, you won't know you have a suicide-assitance app until it's too late. So, it was a garbage motto to begin with and it's about time it's been taken down a notch, in my opinion. How about move fast and test/verify/validate shit instead? That way the entrepreneurs don't have to go full sociopath.
  - lesuorac 1y ago
    Meh, its fine for a company to be honest about their development process. Most companies nowendays claim to be "Move Fast and don't break shit" when in reality they're "Move Fast and Break Shit". See the whole CrowdStrike debacle [1], both sides of that lawsuit are in the wrong here. Crowdstrike shouldn't've down a rapid deployment like that and Delta wasn't supposed to use the Falcon Agent on those systems. They both choose to move fast without verification and broke stuff. Neither of them are going to say that "Move Fast and Break Shit" is their style but it is! [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_v._Crowdstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_v._Crowdstrike
  - tombert 1y ago
    I don’t think that enterprise slowness and “verification” would prevent a suicide assistance application in this particular case, unless they were specifically testing for that which could be missed even with a rigid testing structure. > How about move fast and test/verify/validate shit instead? Because that inherently isn’t moving fast. I don’t completely agree with the “Move Fast And Break Shit” mantra myself, but I think it comes out of genuine frustrations from the enterprise world. I worked at a BigTechCo [1] in the past, and it felt like I would spend twenty minutes doing a ticket, and it would take two days for everyone to “verify” my PR. Even doing a quick fix for a null pointer exception can take three or four days to get deployed as a result of this. The stuff I was working on was not high stakes. I wasn’t dealing with money or medicine or pacemakers or weather analysis or anything like that. The Move Fast and Break Shit stuff comes as a bit of an overcorrection on this, but I think fundamentally the idea is that a lot of this stuff really isn’t that important, and it’s better to just deploy something that “probably works” and fix problems as they happen. [1] It’s not too hard to find based on my post history but I politely ask you do not post specifics here.
    - gibbitz 1y ago
      > but I think it comes out of genuine frustrations from the enterprise world. Yet politicians continue to act like the government should operate like a business and for some reason all of us working in corporate America think this is a good idea...

nxobject 1y ago

A culture of "we did something we shouldn't have done, but nothing happened this time" is how disasters happen.