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Have there been any reviews by independent experts? This reads like a promo piece, in particular I'm not sure why the fluff bits about Musk "being a regular guy

Have there been any reviews by independent experts? This reads like a promo piece, in particular I'm not sure why the fluff bits about Musk "being a regular guy" are relevant. Most of the linked sources are either other Fortune puff pieces or Neuralink press releases.

bboygravity 1y ago
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- BlackjackCF 1y ago
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  - macinjosh 1y ago
    no, the psyop is getting the public to believe a single wave to a crowd is anything more than that.
    - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
      Do it on one of your work zoom calls and report back.
      - macinjosh 1y ago
        i tried it. went well! we are invading poland next quarter.
    - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
      Cooked, absolutely chopped.
    - deleted 1y ago
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  - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
    Nazi salute*. No idea why you wrote Roman.
    - frankvdwaal 1y ago
      Because that is the joke.
      - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
        Right over my head.
- femiagbabiaka 1y ago
  I don't care whether or not he likes Musk, this is America, we love assholes here. I simply don't see how that fact is relevant to an article discussing the merits of Neurolink the program.
kevinpet 1y ago
Reviews by independent experts about the quality of this guy's life? I think he can be considered an authority on that subject.
- potsandpans 1y ago
  Credentialism at its finest.
- micromacrofoot 1y ago
  so are people who claim placebos and homeopathy improved their conditions, we are not reliable on an individual level
  - zdragnar 1y ago
    No placebo can let him "do things like play Mario Kart, control his television, and turn his Dyson air purifier on and off without physically moving his fingers or any other part of his body." Given that there are objective changes, it is not unreasonable to believe his claim that he is satisfied or has benefitted from them.
    - pear01 1y ago
      if it is truly "objective" then his subjective experience is irrelevant, so your logic makes no sense. it is not necessarily incorrect to investigate or be skeptical about another's self reported "subjective" claims (never mind their "objective" ones), for the reasons the comment you were dismissive of mentioned. plus given the nature of the company one would hardly be surprised if certain facts are cherry-picked over others. if it's truly as cut and dry as you believe, then surely any independent expert will soon end up empty handed. being dismissive of such an endeavor before it has even begun feels like kool-aid sippin...
      - zdragnar 1y ago
        The objective and subjective observations are about different but related things. The objective measurements are about his enhanced abilities. He can do things he couldn't before. But, the GP comment referred to "quality of life" which is innately difficult to measure objectively. It's possible that he was able to do those things but it caused him enough irritation to do them that he avoided using it (like CPAP often is for example), or that the things it enabled him to do weren't sufficient to warrant feeling improved. My father has limited mobility, but no interest in playing mario kart or adjusting an air filter, and there's very little in his home that he has or would want to be automated. Anything that could be my mom or another family member usually takes care of anyway, even if it's still something he could do himself as he's rather tech illiterate. So, in this scenario, given my father's age, the risks involved in such a major surgery for his age, and his personal inclinations, the very same additional capabilities likely wouldn't be worthwhile in his opinion. Hence, the subjective experience of the objective changes are how you measure quality of life for this kind of operation.
shkkmo 1y ago
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- pessimizer 1y ago
  > What kind of reprobate thinks it is OK to swat a disabled person? Do you understand the kinds of active harm that your partisanship causes? What are you talking about? Are you pretending to be upset at a mild question, on the behalf of the disabled? You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers. edit: I am very excited about brain-computer interfaces.
  - shkkmo 1y ago
    > You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers. I explained the active harm in the very sentence you quoted. >> he told me that a SWAT team showed up with AR-15s after someone gave a false tip to the local sheriff’s office that Arbaugh was in danger. I'm not a big fan of Musk for a number of different reasons. I'm even less a fan of the cult of hatred that pops up whenever his name is mentioned. I'd rather look like a goof (nothing wrong with being goofy or weird sometimes) than help spread hatred.
    - qualeed 1y ago
      >I'd rather look like a goof (nothing wrong with being goofy or weird sometimes) than help spread hatred. No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred".
      - shkkmo 1y ago
        > No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred". What do you think partisanship is these days?
        qualeed 1y ago
hn_acc1 1y ago
Probably necessary PR in order to avoid being cut off. Or just gratuitously inserted by the device into the wearer's decoded thoughts/output.
bobsomers 1y ago
> in particular I'm not sure why the fluff bits about Musk "being a regular guy" are relevant They're relevant because this was almost certainly written by a PR firm being paid by Musk to resuscitate his 32% approval rating.
bawolff 1y ago
Its a sample size of 1, of course its ancedotal. Its a promising first sign, but that's all. I think you have unrealistic expectations if you expect rigorus science on the cost/benefit after just one experimental procedure. Stuff like this takes time. The mere fact he didn't die from the procedure is probably a success in and of itself.

bboygravity 1y ago

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BlackjackCF 1y ago
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- macinjosh 1y ago
  no, the psyop is getting the public to believe a single wave to a crowd is anything more than that.
  - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
    Do it on one of your work zoom calls and report back.
    - macinjosh 1y ago
      i tried it. went well! we are invading poland next quarter.
  - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
    Cooked, absolutely chopped.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
- MarcelOlsz 1y ago
  Nazi salute*. No idea why you wrote Roman.
  - frankvdwaal 1y ago
    Because that is the joke.
    - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
      Right over my head.
femiagbabiaka 1y ago
I don't care whether or not he likes Musk, this is America, we love assholes here. I simply don't see how that fact is relevant to an article discussing the merits of Neurolink the program.

kevinpet 1y ago

Reviews by independent experts about the quality of this guy's life? I think he can be considered an authority on that subject.

potsandpans 1y ago
Credentialism at its finest.
micromacrofoot 1y ago
so are people who claim placebos and homeopathy improved their conditions, we are not reliable on an individual level
- zdragnar 1y ago
  No placebo can let him "do things like play Mario Kart, control his television, and turn his Dyson air purifier on and off without physically moving his fingers or any other part of his body." Given that there are objective changes, it is not unreasonable to believe his claim that he is satisfied or has benefitted from them.
  - pear01 1y ago
    if it is truly "objective" then his subjective experience is irrelevant, so your logic makes no sense. it is not necessarily incorrect to investigate or be skeptical about another's self reported "subjective" claims (never mind their "objective" ones), for the reasons the comment you were dismissive of mentioned. plus given the nature of the company one would hardly be surprised if certain facts are cherry-picked over others. if it's truly as cut and dry as you believe, then surely any independent expert will soon end up empty handed. being dismissive of such an endeavor before it has even begun feels like kool-aid sippin...
    - zdragnar 1y ago
      The objective and subjective observations are about different but related things. The objective measurements are about his enhanced abilities. He can do things he couldn't before. But, the GP comment referred to "quality of life" which is innately difficult to measure objectively. It's possible that he was able to do those things but it caused him enough irritation to do them that he avoided using it (like CPAP often is for example), or that the things it enabled him to do weren't sufficient to warrant feeling improved. My father has limited mobility, but no interest in playing mario kart or adjusting an air filter, and there's very little in his home that he has or would want to be automated. Anything that could be my mom or another family member usually takes care of anyway, even if it's still something he could do himself as he's rather tech illiterate. So, in this scenario, given my father's age, the risks involved in such a major surgery for his age, and his personal inclinations, the very same additional capabilities likely wouldn't be worthwhile in his opinion. Hence, the subjective experience of the objective changes are how you measure quality of life for this kind of operation.

shkkmo 1y ago

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pessimizer 1y ago
> What kind of reprobate thinks it is OK to swat a disabled person? Do you understand the kinds of active harm that your partisanship causes? What are you talking about? Are you pretending to be upset at a mild question, on the behalf of the disabled? You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers. edit: I am very excited about brain-computer interfaces.
- shkkmo 1y ago
  > You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers. I explained the active harm in the very sentence you quoted. >> he told me that a SWAT team showed up with AR-15s after someone gave a false tip to the local sheriff’s office that Arbaugh was in danger. I'm not a big fan of Musk for a number of different reasons. I'm even less a fan of the cult of hatred that pops up whenever his name is mentioned. I'd rather look like a goof (nothing wrong with being goofy or weird sometimes) than help spread hatred.
  - qualeed 1y ago
    >I'd rather look like a goof (nothing wrong with being goofy or weird sometimes) than help spread hatred. No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred".
    - shkkmo 1y ago
      > No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred". What do you think partisanship is these days?
      - qualeed 1y ago

hn_acc1 1y ago

Probably necessary PR in order to avoid being cut off. Or just gratuitously inserted by the device into the wearer's decoded thoughts/output.

bobsomers 1y ago

> in particular I'm not sure why the fluff bits about Musk "being a regular guy" are relevant They're relevant because this was almost certainly written by a PR firm being paid by Musk to resuscitate his 32% approval rating.

bawolff 1y ago

Its a sample size of 1, of course its ancedotal. Its a promising first sign, but that's all. I think you have unrealistic expectations if you expect rigorus science on the cost/benefit after just one experimental procedure. Stuff like this takes time. The mere fact he didn't die from the procedure is probably a success in and of itself.