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Only 17%?? Last time I was job hunting I found that 80%+ of postings were either dupes or bogus. Very vague description of the job? I'm going to keep seeing
by LorenPechtel 1y ago
Only 17%??
Last time I was job hunting I found that 80%+ of postings were either dupes or bogus. Very vague description of the job? I'm going to keep seeing it for a long time, clearly they are not actually filling the role. Very specific, odd set of requirements, they're going through the motions but they've already picked the person and the ad is designed to match only that person.
I think they're going about this backwards. Leave the ad up, but they are required to amend it with external hire/internal hire/H-1B when the position is filled. Let people see what has happened in the past. And all jobs must be associated with some entity and indicate how long that entity has existed.
- NoGravitas 1y agoWere a lot of those the same job being offered through different recruiters, though?
- nickff 1y agoThose 'one specific person' ads are usually there to comply with an internal requirement or external regulation/law, so they wouldn't be able to say that it was filled, because that would be an admission that the whole process was a sham.
- dmurray 1y agoWhy? They'd "find" the one specific person, and then report the job was filled by that person, as an internal hire if that was the case.
- nateglims 1y agoI suspect they mean it's for sponsoring a green card for an existing employee.
- mschuster91 1y agoAt large companies, this kind of stuff is the norm even for internal transfers. They got all sorts of whack policies in place, department leads try to work around the red tape and make very very VERY specific job postings that only the actually desired candidate can fill.
- LorenPechtel 1y agoIt would be filled, they would be required to say so. Yes, it's going to look bad, that's the point.
- nickff 1y agoThe requirement which is driving the posting is a requirement that they search for candidates other than the one specific person they have in mind. If they post it with 'already filled' in the posting, they would not be complying with the requirement. The requirement is usually driven by a law or some policy created outside the hiring process for that position, so the hiring manager(s) are not permitted to do what you suggest.
- em-bee 1y agothe suggestion is to change the law.
- philipallstar 1y agoReducing regulations around H1B requirements (and fixing that by just reducing H1Bs) and internal hiring would be the way to solve it.
- TrousersHoisted 1y agoH1Bs aren't the only problem, though.
- edoceo 1y agoThey (H1B) seem to the "low hanging fruit" many (not just in this thread) are pointing to. I spend time in hiring circles and I hear this sentiment frequently. And the Ghost Post issue too. I think Ghost is bigger issue than H1B. Don't have a good solution.
- philipallstar 1y agoThey're enough, and they cause many other problems. If we limit ghost jobs to salary benchmarking then that's a massive reduction.
- DebtDeflation 1y agoIt is absolutely 80%+. The majority of the time, it is a company looking to sponsor an H1B for a role or they have an H1B in the role who they want to sponsor for PERM status (Green Card) and the law requires them to post the job to prove there are no Americans available. The next most common reason is they have identified an internal candidate for the role but corporate policy requires all jobs to be posted externally to show they are looking for the best person. The next most common reason is HR conducting market research on compensation. In all cases, there is no intent to actually fill the role with an external hire.
- hyperpape 1y ago80% of what? There are 85,000 H1B visas per year, and vastly more job postings (and hirings of citizens) each year.
- LargeWu 1y ago85,000 new H1B's. But there are multiples of that already in the US who already hold visas. So, the actual number is in the hundreds of thousands, enough to make a serious impact on supply of labor in the tech sector.
- avbanks 1y agoThat makes a massive difference, if true.
- hyperpape 1y agoIn this case, the relevant comparison is 85,000 net new H1B visas to the total of job postings, since the parent post seemed to be saying 80% of job postings are ghost postings from companies seeking H1B visas. Needless to say, that doesn't make any sense.
- LorenPechtel 1y agoNo. Neither of us said 80% are H1-B. We were agreeing that 80% aren't actually obtainable jobs, but neither of us attempted to determine what percent is from what cause.
- TrousersHoisted 1y agoYeah, I saw that figure and thought: Total BS.