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Very impressive. I have to say while I'm deeply impressed by these text to image models, there's a part of me that's also wary of their impact. Just look at th
by adidoit 1y ago
Very impressive.
I have to say while I'm deeply impressed by these text to image models, there's a part of me that's also wary of their impact. Just look at the comments beneath the average Facebook post.
- knicholes 1y ago[flagged]
- lionkor 1y agoNot to victim-shame or anything, but that sounds more like more than one safety mechanism failed, the convincing tech only being a rather small part of it?
- hansonkd 1y agoI think the biggest failure is on the part of the companies hosting these streams. Its been a while, but I remember seeing streams for Elon offering to "double your bitcoin" and the reasoning was he wanted to increase the adoption and load test the network. Just send some bitcoin to some address and he will send it back double! But the thing was it was on youtube. Hosted on an imposter Tesla page. The stream had been going on for hours and had over ten thousand people watching live. If you searched "Elon Musk Bitcoin" During the stream on Google, Google actually pushed that video as the first result. Say what you want about the victims of the scam, but I think it should be pretty easy for youtube or other streaming companies to have a simple rule to simply filter all live streams with Elon Musk + (Crypto|BTC|etc) in the title and be able to filter all youtube pages with "Tesla" "SpaceX" etc in the title.
- lionkor 1y agoI feel like somehow that would lessen it, but not really help much? There are obviously people with too much money in BTC who are trying to take any gamble to increase its value. It sounds like a deeper societal issue.
- jfoster 1y agoYou are right that they might never be able to get it to 0, but shouldn't they lessen it if a simple measure like the one described can prevent a bunch of people from getting fooled by the scam?
- betterhealth12 1y agoWhat are your thoughts on this being solved by the negative of the situation? So, instead of having to vet every single stream, tweet etc to check if it's legit, basically the idea is that you shouldn't "trust" what you are seeing unless it's explicitly endorsed via a signature from the original creator. Obviously, if it's coming from their official channels the "signature" can be more obvious, but a layer that facilitates this could do a lot of good imo.
- knicholes 1y agoYes, more than one safety mechanism failed. Coinbase actually flagged the transaction, but I was so desperate to get it to go through, I went through their facial validation process to expedite the transaction. If I hadn't for just a couple more minutes, I'd have realized it was a scam.
- prawn 1y agoScams usually have an element of urgency so you don't stop to think. Why did you and your graduate friends think an insanely rich man with a huge number of staff needed your financial help in testing transactions? This reminds me of those people that fall for celebrity love scams, where a rich celebrity needs their money - just baffling.
- yifanl 1y agoThis presumes that you're okay with giving the real Elon your wallet but not a fake Elon, but why?
- Jensson 1y agoBecause it isn't worth real Elon's time to run these scams.
- knicholes 1y agoIt was very convincing. We thought it was a YouTube stream of the Starship launch. It paused with 40 seconds remaining, and "Musk" came on offering to reward those who support innovation and technology (BTC, in this case). All info here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lRbApgKT4U95zN0AYsPQqsLRbzAtJfdUzXfZg0uFeiI/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lRbApgKT4U95zN0AYsPQqsLR...
- yifanl 1y agoMy problem with your statement isn't if its believable Elon came on stage or not, my problem is why would you trust Elon to pay you your money back, whether its the authentic or imposter Musk.
- Jordan-117 1y agoKind of missing their point there. Giving Elon Musk $15k in crypto based on some vague too-good-to-be-true "trust me bro" pitch is embarrassing even if the video turned out to be real.
- FergusArgyll 1y agoThe guy lost 15k there's no need to rub it in!
- Imustaskforhelp 1y agoPlease pardon me since I don't know if this is satirical or not. I'd wish if you could clarify it. Because if this is real, then the world is cooked if not, then the fact that I think that It might be real but the only reason I believe its a joke is because you are on hackernews so I think that either you are joking or the tech has gotten so convincing that even people on hackernews (which I hold to a fair standard) are getting scammed. I have a lot of questions if true and I am sorry for your loss if that's true and this isn't satire but I'd love it if you could tell me if its a satirical joke or not.
- bauruine 1y agoI guess it was something like [0] The Nigerian prince is now a deep fake Elon but the concept is the same. You need to send some money to get way more back. [0]: https://www.ncsc.admin.ch/ncsc/en/home/aktuell/im-fokus/2023/wochenrueckblick_17.html https://www.ncsc.admin.ch/ncsc/en/home/aktuell/im-fokus/2023...
- Imustaskforhelp 1y agohm, but isn't it wild thinking that elon is talking to you and asking you for 15k , like bro has the money of his lifetime, why would he ask you? It doesn't make that much sense idk
- Jensson 1y agoEven Elon could lose his credit card or something, the story they spin is always something like that "I am rich but in a pickle, please send some money here and then I'll send you back 10x as much tomorrow when I get back to my account", but of course they never send it back. Edit: But of course Elon would call someone he knows rather than a stranger, rich people know a lot of people so of course they would never contact you about this.
- atrus 1y agoI remember watching the SpaceX channel on youtube, which isn't a legit source. AI Elon basically says "I want to help make bitcoin more popular, let me show you how easy it it to transfer money around with btc. Send my $X and I'll send you back $2X! It's very inline with a typical elon message (I'll give you 1 million to vote R), it's on a channel called SpaceX. It's pretty believable. Granted I played Runescape and EvE as a kid, so any double-isk scams are immediate redflags.
- kamranjon 1y agoWould you consider writing a blog post about this experience? I'm incredibly interested in learning more details about how this unfolded.
- paul7986 1y agoWell just go on this guy's lawn and you will find your answer lol
- qingcharles 1y agoI think the comment is a joke. Their bio is satirical at least :)
- lucasmullens 1y agoI'm pretty sure the comment wasn't a joke? I saw the stream last week, it was very impressive use of AI, I didn't realize it was AI until he started talking about doubling crypto. What about the bio is satirical? I'm pretty sure that's sincere too.
- qingcharles 1y agoUser has edited their bio now :)
- knicholes 1y agoI didn't edit my bio. My projects are not satire. I'm just less ashamed than most, so I work on more "exciting" projects. I've worked extensively with generative AI, including video, myself. It was just that convincing to me in the moment. My regret knows no bounds. Luckily I earn enough this doesn't devastate me, but I really could have done some good with that money.
- qingcharles 1y agoYikes. In that case, please accept my apology. Your bio disappeared for a while off your page, but it's back as it was now.
- pennaMan 1y agohey, I got a bridge to sell you, was $20k but we can lower it to $15k if you pay in BTC
- testplzignore 1y agoYou're paying too much for your bridges man. Who's your bridge guy?
- dkiebd 1y agoThat wasn’t a bridge.
- 77pt77 1y agoWas the bridge built by a genius like Elon though?
- prawn 1y agoHe would sell tunnels, not bridges!
- michelb 1y agoThese SpaceX scams are rampant on youtube and highly, highly lucrative. It’s crazy and you have to be very vigilant, as whatever is promised lines up with Elon’s MO.
- rangerelf 1y agoWhy would anyone give them any money AT ALL? It's not like they're poor or struggling. Am I missing something?
- nickthegreek 1y agoit requires zero vigilance if you dont play the game.
- ablation 1y agoMy mind is blown that people would engage in it at all, let alone need to be "vigilant". Amazing.
- jaredklewis 1y agoThis comment is perfect.
- fxtentacle 1y agoPlot twist: It wasn't a deepfake. You sent your wallet to the real Elon and he used it as he saw fit. ;)
- pjerem 1y agoThat’s what they said : they have been scammed !
- AbraKdabra 1y agoI don't mean to be rude, but this sounds like natural selection doing its work.
- umbra07 1y agoThat's the sort of statement that remains extremely rude even if you try and prefix it with "I don't mean to be rude".
- AbraKdabra 1y agoIt's not rude if it's the truth. Also he's a troll so...
- knicholes 1y agoI'm pretty successful with an above average IQ. It was very convincing, along with three other college grads (one a medical doctor).
- AbraKdabra 1y agoShit happens bro.
- amatajohn 1y agothe modern turing test: am i getting scammed by a billionare or an AI billionaire?
- UltraSane 1y agoOn the balance of probabilities it being a scam is vastly more likely than Elon actually wanting to contact you. Why would Elon need $15k in bitcoin? It seems like money naturally flows from the gullible to the Machiavellian.
- DonHopkins 1y ago[flagged]
- conradkay 1y agoI don't think he's the gullible one, check their bio ;)
- knicholes 1y agoUnfortunately, this isn't one of my usual trollings. I've documented the scam on in this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lRbApgKT4U95zN0AYsPQqsLRbzAtJfdUzXfZg0uFeiI/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lRbApgKT4U95zN0AYsPQqsLR...
- conradkay 1y agoAh that sucks. Having played runescape as a kid it feels obvious but that's a very sophisticated attack
- lucasmullens 1y agoCome on, don't be mean. Imagine saying this in person to someone who just told you they got scammed. "You're just extremely gullible" is just so mean...show some empathy.
- DonHopkins 1y agoAnyone who trusts Musk enough to send him $15k doesn't deserve a bit of empathy.
- pil0u 1y agoI got scammed similarly (although $10, because I tested first), because 1. it was on YouTube, on a channel called "SpaceX" with verified logo 2. with hundreds of thousands of viewers live 3. with a believable speech from Mr. Musk standing next to its rockets (and knowing his interest in cryptocurrencies). This happened as I was genuinely searching for the actual live stream of SpaceX. I am ashamed, even more so because I even posted the live stream link on Hacker News (!). Fortunately it was flagged early and I apologized personally to dang. This was a terrible experience for me, on many levels. I never thought I would fall in such a trap, being very aware of the tech, reading about similar stories etc.
- dvh 1y agoI am flabbergasted that you both get scammed. I would understand if this was two years ago, but now? Do people really not know about these scams? I can already see down votes coming for victim blaming, but this is to me really shocking. Notice that there isn't "tell hn: don't get scammed by deep fake crypto Elon" because people who usually posts also consider this general knowledge. That's why it's so effective I guess. In a similar manner there will never be "tell hn: don't drink acid it will burn your intestines", the danger is so obvious that nobody feels the need to post it and because nobody is posting it, people get scammed. I don't know what is the solution to that. How should you tell people what everybody should be already knowing? I remember being on a machining workshop and he was telling such an obvious things. Obvious things are obvious until they aren't, and then somebody gets hurt.
- postalcoder 1y agoI have been testing google's SynthID for images and while it isn't perfect, it is very good, insofar that I felt some relief from that same creeping dread over what these images will do to perceived reality. It survives a lot of transformation like compression, cropping, and resizing. It even survives over alterations like color filtering and overpainting.
- sigmar 1y agofacebook isn't going to implement detection though. Many (if not most) of the viral pictures are AI-generated. and facebook is incentivized to let their users get fooled to generate endless scrolling
- paul7986 1y agoAlong with those being fooled there are many comments saying this is fake, AI trash and etc. That portion of the commenters are teaching the ignorant and soon no one will believe what they see on the Internet as real.
- bonsai_bar 1y ago> soon no one will believe what they see on the Internet as real. Now is that so bad?
- qingcharles 1y agoThey already did. Certainly on the backend. For a while they were surfacing it, but I think it's gone again. But Meta is definitely onto this.
- MitPitt 1y agoFacebook comments are obviously botted too
- bee_rider 1y agoI dunno, I thought so for a while, but I’m beginning to suspect this is a very optimistic view of humanity.
- artursapek 1y agoWhy do HN commenters all act like they're in the top 1% of intellectuals
- nikanj 1y agoThe comments are probably AI-generated too, because a site that seems to have lots of other people on it is more appealing than an empty wasteland
- betterhealth12 1y agoI think it's time to build a new system - something that can annotate the post the user is on, if there's at least another savvy user (or AI system) that can pick up on the uncanny signals. This youtube video about the "Walker Family" sham on Facebook is particularly relevant here: Don’t Pay This AI Family To Write You a Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-DDHSfBBeo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-DDHSfBBeo