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There were crowdfunding efforts like: Purism Librem, Liberux NEXX, /e/ foundation, eelo, Ubuntu Edge, Jolla phone. But none were really successful. The closest

There were crowdfunding efforts like: Purism Librem, Liberux NEXX, /e/ foundation, eelo, Ubuntu Edge, Jolla phone. But none were really successful. The closest was probably Mozilla with Firefox OS, now Kai OS. I still own an Alcatel OT Fire phone, it's HTML5 all the way! But I think Sailfish OS has a mature ecosystem, they are well recognized in the EU and based on GNU/Linux. I use it daily, after moving from UBports, and it serves me well. Hopefully SfOS gains more popularity.

fsflover 1y ago
> But none were really successful. By which criterion? I'm happily using Librem 5 as a daily driver; wrote this reply from it.
- niutech 1y ago
  By general adoption. It's great that Librem serves you well, just like SfOS for me, but sadly we're a tiny minority. I think KaiOS has the third place in popularity.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    GNU/Linux is also not successful by such definition. It doesn't make it worse than Windows.
    - niutech 1y ago
      Linux is succesful, it is a base for Android and billions of network devices.
      - fsflover 1y ago
        Did you notice I had written GNU/Linux?
- ctrlc-root 1y ago
  I've been using a Librem 5 as a daily driver for years and before that I used a PinePhone for several years. It can work if you're willing to adjust to live with it's constraints (but then also enjoy the benefits).
Ciantic 1y ago
You highlighted the problem I was stating: Effort is scattered among small players. I would love for SailfishOS to win, but crowdfunding is hard with random Thingamabob companies; it needs name recognition behind it. For the new ecosystem to win, it needs to have its own user base for companies building apps to recognize it. Even with SailfishOS, the banking apps still require Android compatibility layer, which is slowly eroded with Play Services and Play integrity check disabling those one by one in the coming years.
- niutech 1y ago
  Weren't Jolla (Sailfish OS), Canonical (Ubuntu Touch), HP/LG (webOS), Mozilla (Firefox OS), Samsung (Tizen) recognized companies? Yet they failed to break the duopoly. Even Facebook failed with their phone. Who would fight with Andoid/iOS then?
  - Ciantic 1y ago
    I have no answer, I'm asking the same question. Who can raise serious funds like 1 billion to do it? I'm guessing for FOSS/Linux crowd to get fully behind, it can't be a company, but a person like Linus Torvalds. Given that browsers are becoming a platform themselves for major apps, maybe it can lower the bar in the future for smaller vendors to create a feasible market.
    - fooqux 1y ago
      I'm hoping that Linus "pulls a git" and suddenly announces that he got fed up with Android last week and created a new OS that solves everyone's problems. A person can dream.
      - noisy_boy 1y ago
        > created a new OS that solves everyone's problems. Created a hobby OS, just a hobby, won't be big
    - niutech 1y ago

fsflover 1y ago

> But none were really successful. By which criterion? I'm happily using Librem 5 as a daily driver; wrote this reply from it.

niutech 1y ago
By general adoption. It's great that Librem serves you well, just like SfOS for me, but sadly we're a tiny minority. I think KaiOS has the third place in popularity.
- fsflover 1y ago
  GNU/Linux is also not successful by such definition. It doesn't make it worse than Windows.
  - niutech 1y ago
    Linux is succesful, it is a base for Android and billions of network devices.
    - fsflover 1y ago
      Did you notice I had written GNU/Linux?
ctrlc-root 1y ago
I've been using a Librem 5 as a daily driver for years and before that I used a PinePhone for several years. It can work if you're willing to adjust to live with it's constraints (but then also enjoy the benefits).

Ciantic 1y ago

You highlighted the problem I was stating: Effort is scattered among small players. I would love for SailfishOS to win, but crowdfunding is hard with random Thingamabob companies; it needs name recognition behind it. For the new ecosystem to win, it needs to have its own user base for companies building apps to recognize it. Even with SailfishOS, the banking apps still require Android compatibility layer, which is slowly eroded with Play Services and Play integrity check disabling those one by one in the coming years.

niutech 1y ago
Weren't Jolla (Sailfish OS), Canonical (Ubuntu Touch), HP/LG (webOS), Mozilla (Firefox OS), Samsung (Tizen) recognized companies? Yet they failed to break the duopoly. Even Facebook failed with their phone. Who would fight with Andoid/iOS then?
- Ciantic 1y ago
  I have no answer, I'm asking the same question. Who can raise serious funds like 1 billion to do it? I'm guessing for FOSS/Linux crowd to get fully behind, it can't be a company, but a person like Linus Torvalds. Given that browsers are becoming a platform themselves for major apps, maybe it can lower the bar in the future for smaller vendors to create a feasible market.
  - fooqux 1y ago
    I'm hoping that Linus "pulls a git" and suddenly announces that he got fed up with Android last week and created a new OS that solves everyone's problems. A person can dream.
    - noisy_boy 1y ago
      > created a new OS that solves everyone's problems. Created a hobby OS, just a hobby, won't be big
  - niutech 1y ago