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> Every day we stray farther from the premise that we should be allowed to install / modify software on the computers we own. I’ve never agreed with this premi

> Every day we stray farther from the premise that we should be allowed to install / modify software on the computers we own. I’ve never agreed with this premise. I buy things that mostly meet my needs and desires in every other walk of life. I’m personally OK with extending this to computers as well.

garciansmith 1y ago
That doesn't make sense. How do meet your own needs and desires if you can't use your own property the way you want? And isn't the point in this very situation that people simply can't buy what they want because Google and Apple are a duopoly and now Google is going to follow the path of restricting what you can do with your own property?
- nurettin 1y ago
  If I were in the 0.01%, savings wouldn't be a thing. I wouldn't even need a home. Just go around staying wherever I like for as long as I like doing whatever I want. I wouldn't really care about what google or apple does with their devices, who attacked or defeated whom and all that bs because I wouldn't be in survival mode. At least this is probably how people in charge of enshittification think like.
- paulcole 1y ago
  > How do meet your own needs and desires if you can't use your own property the way you want? My needs and desires aren’t that complicated. There’s nothing that I really want or need to do that I can’t do on my phone or iPad.
  - rpdillon 1y ago
    The logic here seems to be "I don't care about freedom because my jail cell is large enough." What if you wake up one day and it isn't? Your response reminds me of Snowden's quote, which I'll likely butcher because it's from memory, but roughly: "Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say".
    - paulcole 1y ago
      I'm 45 years old. I've woken up 16,000+ times and it's been fine. I know what I do on computers/phones/iPads. I know that every computer/phone/iPad I've ever owned has done more or less what I wanted. I'm usually the weak link, not the device. I don't go to bed worried that the sun is going to rise in the West. I've got things that seem likely to happen to worry about.
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johnnienaked 1y ago
Are you intentionally defending a rent-economy or just ignorantly?
- paulcole 1y ago
  Oh it’s intentional.
  - johnnienaked 1y ago
    OK. Why?
    - paulcole 1y ago
      Because I have a fundamentally different view than the comment I replied to.
      - johnnienaked 1y ago
        Ya but why. Were you born this way?
adithyassekhar 1y ago
Ok I'll bite. Tell me what you find appealing about losing authority? Is this some kind of emotional response for not wanting to take responsibility?
- paulcole 1y ago
  How can I lose something that I don’t have any interest in having?
protocolture 1y ago
My needs and desires are to have control over my tech stack.
- paulcole 1y ago
  Neat! That’s why I said, “I’m personally OK with…” rather than “You’re personally OK with…”
gf000 1y ago
This is based on the false assumption that the free market solves every problem. But the reality (which was correctly identified by Adam Smith himself) is that the effort required to enter a market can sometimes be so high, that we practically end up with oligopolies, see mobile OSs. They require a network effect to make sense, so the entry cost is not just developing the product, but also to somehow convince basically every other player to consider you a target platform - which is a cyclical problem that you can't just bootstrap yourself into. Even Microsoft failed at it, even though they were paying hefty sums to companies for apps working on their OS.
- paulcole 1y ago
  > This is based on the false assumption that the free market solves every problem. I assure you it is not.

garciansmith 1y ago

That doesn't make sense. How do meet your own needs and desires if you can't use your own property the way you want? And isn't the point in this very situation that people simply can't buy what they want because Google and Apple are a duopoly and now Google is going to follow the path of restricting what you can do with your own property?

nurettin 1y ago
If I were in the 0.01%, savings wouldn't be a thing. I wouldn't even need a home. Just go around staying wherever I like for as long as I like doing whatever I want. I wouldn't really care about what google or apple does with their devices, who attacked or defeated whom and all that bs because I wouldn't be in survival mode. At least this is probably how people in charge of enshittification think like.
paulcole 1y ago
> How do meet your own needs and desires if you can't use your own property the way you want? My needs and desires aren’t that complicated. There’s nothing that I really want or need to do that I can’t do on my phone or iPad.
- rpdillon 1y ago
  The logic here seems to be "I don't care about freedom because my jail cell is large enough." What if you wake up one day and it isn't? Your response reminds me of Snowden's quote, which I'll likely butcher because it's from memory, but roughly: "Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say".
  - paulcole 1y ago
    I'm 45 years old. I've woken up 16,000+ times and it's been fine. I know what I do on computers/phones/iPads. I know that every computer/phone/iPad I've ever owned has done more or less what I wanted. I'm usually the weak link, not the device. I don't go to bed worried that the sun is going to rise in the West. I've got things that seem likely to happen to worry about.

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johnnienaked 1y ago

Are you intentionally defending a rent-economy or just ignorantly?

paulcole 1y ago
Oh it’s intentional.
- johnnienaked 1y ago
  OK. Why?
  - paulcole 1y ago
    Because I have a fundamentally different view than the comment I replied to.
    - johnnienaked 1y ago
      Ya but why. Were you born this way?

adithyassekhar 1y ago

Ok I'll bite. Tell me what you find appealing about losing authority? Is this some kind of emotional response for not wanting to take responsibility?

paulcole 1y ago
How can I lose something that I don’t have any interest in having?

protocolture 1y ago

My needs and desires are to have control over my tech stack.

paulcole 1y ago
Neat! That’s why I said, “I’m personally OK with…” rather than “You’re personally OK with…”

gf000 1y ago

This is based on the false assumption that the free market solves every problem. But the reality (which was correctly identified by Adam Smith himself) is that the effort required to enter a market can sometimes be so high, that we practically end up with oligopolies, see mobile OSs. They require a network effect to make sense, so the entry cost is not just developing the product, but also to somehow convince basically every other player to consider you a target platform - which is a cyclical problem that you can't just bootstrap yourself into. Even Microsoft failed at it, even though they were paying hefty sums to companies for apps working on their OS.

paulcole 1y ago
> This is based on the false assumption that the free market solves every problem. I assure you it is not.