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Correct, then why suddenly the replacements are "dead canary"? The post doesn't make sense. To me they're an improvement, even if a bit flat (flatness we've see

by bapak 1y ago

Correct, then why suddenly the replacements are "dead canary"? The post doesn't make sense. To me they're an improvement, even if a bit flat (flatness we've seen 12 years ago in iOS 7 already) To me this post sounds like a typical "Steve Jobs wouldn't do this" nonsense.

dijit 1y ago
"This was not great, but this is worse: clearly nobody is paying attention" is, actually, valid criticism.
- bapak 1y ago
  Call me when macOS Tahoe is out of beta. Nobody is paying attention because the post is judging a beta product that literally has not completed the QA cycle. By all means there are plenty of things to judge in macOS and there have been for a very long time. These for icons today are not it. The canary has left a very long time ago.
  - wpm 1y ago
    Tahoe will be out of beta in like 4 weeks. Do you really think there are going to be significant UI design changes in that time? Beta 8 came out today and Beta 9 will probably be or be close to the RC.
  - jurip 1y ago
    A public beta period is for receiving feedback from developers and customers.
  - troupo 1y ago
    Beta is not an excuse for shoddy workmanship. Beta is to figure out the last outstanding issues and bugs before shipping to production, not to hastily fix a ton of obvious issues, or to redraw icons
  - lapcat 1y ago
    macOS Sequoia was released Monday September 16, 2024. The likely release date of macOS Tahoe is Monday September 15, 2025. That's only 20 days from now. Those icons have already been redesigned in Tahoe. What do you expect to happen in the next 20 days? There will maybe be one final beta.
lapcat 1y ago
> The post doesn't make sense. To me they're an improvement Obviously the post wouldn't make sense to you if you think the new icons are somehow an improvement.
MobiusHorizons 1y ago
Would you mind sharing how you see the new ones as an improvement? I’m having trouble imagining how. At least 3 of the 4 previous icons were pretty easy to recognize on sight (all but expansion slot utility). I would never guess 3/4 of the new ones (only wireless utility), and I probably would have a hard time recognizing them even after I knew what they were.
- bapak 1y ago
  Sure. - Disk Utility: not an improvement but not a loss either. "Disks" haven't looked like that in a long time, so it makes sense that it's updated. "Disk" as intended now, it's an abstract concept, so I sort of see why the icon would be abstract. - Expansion Slot Utility: if you looked at a Mac Pro's expansion slots, you'd see exactly why the new icon makes a lot more sense, it has 3 slots in it. - Wireless Diagnostics: looks perfect to me. - Apple Script Utility: both suck equally, I struggle to see why an editor/compiler share the same icon style as configuration/diagnostic apps. So they're either just as bad or slightly better. Neither version shines for quality. The old one only looked slightly "better" because the individual pieces were in high quality, but once overlapped they just looked like slop. All I'm saying is that these icons have obviously never mattered to anyone, you'd expect more from the author.
  - fartfeatures 1y ago
    Re: Disk Utility - that old school disk still represents disks just as the old school floppy icon still represents save even though most of us haven't used floppy disks in decades now.
  - lapcat 1y ago
    > All I'm saying is that these icons have obviously never mattered to anyone That's not true. You can see the history of the Disk Utility icon here: https://basicappleguy.com/basicappleblog/macos-icon-history https://basicappleguy.com/basicappleblog/macos-icon-history Look at the original 2001-2007 version, which was the nicest. It's only gotten worse over time, unfortunately. The 2020 version got an unnecessary rounded rect because macOS Big Sur introduced iOS rounded rects as a new style, and then the 2025 went completely rounded rect because Tahoe enforces it on every app. I personally have Disk Utility in my Dock, by the way.

by bapak 1y ago

dijit 1y ago

"This was not great, but this is worse: clearly nobody is paying attention" is, actually, valid criticism.

bapak 1y ago
Call me when macOS Tahoe is out of beta. Nobody is paying attention because the post is judging a beta product that literally has not completed the QA cycle. By all means there are plenty of things to judge in macOS and there have been for a very long time. These for icons today are not it. The canary has left a very long time ago.
- wpm 1y ago
  Tahoe will be out of beta in like 4 weeks. Do you really think there are going to be significant UI design changes in that time? Beta 8 came out today and Beta 9 will probably be or be close to the RC.
- jurip 1y ago
  A public beta period is for receiving feedback from developers and customers.
- troupo 1y ago
  Beta is not an excuse for shoddy workmanship. Beta is to figure out the last outstanding issues and bugs before shipping to production, not to hastily fix a ton of obvious issues, or to redraw icons
- lapcat 1y ago
  macOS Sequoia was released Monday September 16, 2024. The likely release date of macOS Tahoe is Monday September 15, 2025. That's only 20 days from now. Those icons have already been redesigned in Tahoe. What do you expect to happen in the next 20 days? There will maybe be one final beta.

lapcat 1y ago

> The post doesn't make sense. To me they're an improvement Obviously the post wouldn't make sense to you if you think the new icons are somehow an improvement.

MobiusHorizons 1y ago

Would you mind sharing how you see the new ones as an improvement? I’m having trouble imagining how. At least 3 of the 4 previous icons were pretty easy to recognize on sight (all but expansion slot utility). I would never guess 3/4 of the new ones (only wireless utility), and I probably would have a hard time recognizing them even after I knew what they were.

bapak 1y ago
Sure. - Disk Utility: not an improvement but not a loss either. "Disks" haven't looked like that in a long time, so it makes sense that it's updated. "Disk" as intended now, it's an abstract concept, so I sort of see why the icon would be abstract. - Expansion Slot Utility: if you looked at a Mac Pro's expansion slots, you'd see exactly why the new icon makes a lot more sense, it has 3 slots in it. - Wireless Diagnostics: looks perfect to me. - Apple Script Utility: both suck equally, I struggle to see why an editor/compiler share the same icon style as configuration/diagnostic apps. So they're either just as bad or slightly better. Neither version shines for quality. The old one only looked slightly "better" because the individual pieces were in high quality, but once overlapped they just looked like slop. All I'm saying is that these icons have obviously never mattered to anyone, you'd expect more from the author.
- fartfeatures 1y ago
  Re: Disk Utility - that old school disk still represents disks just as the old school floppy icon still represents save even though most of us haven't used floppy disks in decades now.
- lapcat 1y ago
  > All I'm saying is that these icons have obviously never mattered to anyone That's not true. You can see the history of the Disk Utility icon here: https://basicappleguy.com/basicappleblog/macos-icon-history https://basicappleguy.com/basicappleblog/macos-icon-history Look at the original 2001-2007 version, which was the nicest. It's only gotten worse over time, unfortunately. The 2020 version got an unnecessary rounded rect because macOS Big Sur introduced iOS rounded rects as a new style, and then the 2025 went completely rounded rect because Tahoe enforces it on every app. I personally have Disk Utility in my Dock, by the way.