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it's literally not sufficient justification, in large part due to israel's long history of lying and coordinated efforts to prevent independent investigators fr

it's literally not sufficient justification, in large part due to israel's long history of lying and coordinated efforts to prevent independent investigators from investigating the truth otherwise hamas could claim with at least as much credulity that every innocent person they killed just happened to be beside a soldier and they just missed, oops, so it's all good right? or they could claim with at least as much credulity that there were no combatants launching attacks from the hospital, and that would cancel out israel's claims that there were, and thus israel's claimed justification israel takes pride in attacking civilians. which is evidenced by multiple attacks over past 30 years against purely civilian targets. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence . they later proudly take responsibility for actions like this i wonder what is your take on 20 years of illegal israeli occupation of palestine and terrorist attacks on palestinians?

tguvot 1y ago
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- ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
  It looks like the entirety of the above reply is off topic (and also ignores that everything you said is either false or equally true of hamas and israel, with a name or 2 replaced: s/sinwar/netanyahu/ etc) so let's try to rein it in: Your assessment that this attack on innocent Palestinian civilians is justified by the unverified and unconvincing claims of the attacker, is incorrect. This is true for israel in particular because israel is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators and other civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians. Yes: absent independent investigation and judgement, there is no credible justification for this attack on innocent Palestinian civilians by israel. Only insufficient excuses based on probable lies. (Also, I looked at your sources, and surely you can't be serious. Obviously they're quite biased and can't be trusted to provide an accurate or full view of the situation.)
  - tguvot 1y ago
    could you please point me at 1 war in history of humanity when every single attack that supposedly resulted in "innocent civilians" been killed was under microscope and people demanded independent investigation in order to verify claims that led to a strike ?
    - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
      Why? If there is wrongdoing, then there is wrongdoing. It doesn't matter if the wrongdoer disagrees, or what anybody else did. Thus, the request is a "whataboutism" distraction from the point: The unsubstantiated claims of the attacker are pretty much always insufficient justification for an attack, but in particular here, because israel in particular is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators, journalists, and other innocent civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians. On that note, in furtherance of the truth, maybe you could point me at the independent investigatory or journalistic organizations that israel has authorized to operate unmolested by them in Palestine? After all, we're interested in the truth, not propaganda from one of the two combatants, right?
      - tguvot 1y ago
        it's not whatabouatism. it's a war. israel doesn't have to provide justification to you or anybody else. just like usa and allies didn't have to provide justification to anybody when they leveled Mosul, falluja or raqqa. or when they leveled germany. all western media operating in west bank. the only problem is that PA authorities are interfering with it. or west bank not palestine enough for you ? and what makes you think that journalist organization promote truth ? i saw multiple times main stream media at prime time lying and twisting facts. recently (3 weeks ago) abby phillips said that facts doesn't matter in case they stand in a way of "righteous narrative" https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie
        ImPostingOnHN 1y ago

tguvot 1y ago

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ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
It looks like the entirety of the above reply is off topic (and also ignores that everything you said is either false or equally true of hamas and israel, with a name or 2 replaced: s/sinwar/netanyahu/ etc) so let's try to rein it in: Your assessment that this attack on innocent Palestinian civilians is justified by the unverified and unconvincing claims of the attacker, is incorrect. This is true for israel in particular because israel is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators and other civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians. Yes: absent independent investigation and judgement, there is no credible justification for this attack on innocent Palestinian civilians by israel. Only insufficient excuses based on probable lies. (Also, I looked at your sources, and surely you can't be serious. Obviously they're quite biased and can't be trusted to provide an accurate or full view of the situation.)
- tguvot 1y ago
  could you please point me at 1 war in history of humanity when every single attack that supposedly resulted in "innocent civilians" been killed was under microscope and people demanded independent investigation in order to verify claims that led to a strike ?
  - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
    Why? If there is wrongdoing, then there is wrongdoing. It doesn't matter if the wrongdoer disagrees, or what anybody else did. Thus, the request is a "whataboutism" distraction from the point: The unsubstantiated claims of the attacker are pretty much always insufficient justification for an attack, but in particular here, because israel in particular is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators, journalists, and other innocent civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians. On that note, in furtherance of the truth, maybe you could point me at the independent investigatory or journalistic organizations that israel has authorized to operate unmolested by them in Palestine? After all, we're interested in the truth, not propaganda from one of the two combatants, right?
    - tguvot 1y ago
      it's not whatabouatism. it's a war. israel doesn't have to provide justification to you or anybody else. just like usa and allies didn't have to provide justification to anybody when they leveled Mosul, falluja or raqqa. or when they leveled germany. all western media operating in west bank. the only problem is that PA authorities are interfering with it. or west bank not palestine enough for you ? and what makes you think that journalist organization promote truth ? i saw multiple times main stream media at prime time lying and twisting facts. recently (3 weeks ago) abby phillips said that facts doesn't matter in case they stand in a way of "righteous narrative" https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie
      - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago