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I considered getting a personal MBP (I have an M3 from work), but picked up a Framework 13 with the AMD 7 7840U. I have Pop!_OS on it, and while it isn't quite

I considered getting a personal MBP (I have an M3 from work), but picked up a Framework 13 with the AMD 7 7840U. I have Pop!_OS on it, and while it isn't quite as impressive as the MBP, it is radically better than other Windows / Linux laptops I have used lately, battery life is quite good, ~5hr or so, not quite on par with the MBP but still good enough that I don't really have any complaints (and being able to up upgrade RAM / SSD / even mobo is worth some tradeoff to me, where my employers will just throw my MBP away in a few years).

justinram11 1y ago
Curious if the suspend / hibernate "just works" when you close the lid? I feel like I've tried several times to get this working in both Linux and Windows on various laptops and have never actually found a reliable solution (often resulting in having a hot and dead laptop in my backpack).
- SequoiaHope 1y ago
  I learned that even tho I run Ubuntu, arch wiki has good info on proper commands to run to configure this behavior on my machine.
- l72 1y ago
  I have an intel framework running fedora. I have found that intels s0 sleep just uses way too much battery. I’d expect that in sleep mode, it should last a week and still be above 50% power but that is definitely not the case. I ended up moving to hybrid, where it suspends for an hour allowing immediate wake up then hibernates completely. It’s a decent compromise and I’ve never once had an issue with resume from suspend or hibernate, nor have I ever had an issue with it randomly waking up and frying itself in a backpack or unexpectedly having a dead battery. My work M1 is still superior in this regard but it is an acceptable compromise.
- blacksmith_tb 1y ago
  It does! The only thing wasn't working out of the box, so to speak, was the fingerprint reader, I had to do a little config to get it going.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  If it makes you feel better, my work provided MBP has picked up this habit and is dead take the time i go to wake it up Windows laptops are still worse, but i appreciate Apple continuing to give me reasons to hate them
himeexcelanta 1y ago
I’m sure it’s great. As a layman there’s no way I’m running something called “Pop!_OS” versus Mac OS.
- DANmode 1y ago
  How'd you get here - "as a layman"?
- blacksmith_tb 1y ago
  Meh, it's kind of a silly name, sure, but it's one of the few distros backed by an actual vendor (System76) who isn't just trying to sucker you into buying something. As a result it has a nice level of polish and function. I like macOS fine, I have been using Macs since 1984 (though things like SIP grate).
  - cyberpunk 1y ago
    Why does SIP grate? For my work machines I really want features like SIP to prevent fuckups and malware (especially considering how much code a random rust or node application pulls in). For tinkering machines and servers and stuff of course that’s a different story..
    - badc0ffee 1y ago
      You can always disable it on your tinkering machines.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  You're missing out. I've daily-driven both, modern macOS feels like a Fischer Price operating system by comparison.
bigmadshoe 1y ago
5 hours seems a lot worse than the ~10 hours I get on my M4 Air.
- threatripper 1y ago
  I get like 3 hours on my MBP when I use it. MacBooks have better runtime only when they are mostly idle, not when you fully load them.
  - baq 1y ago
    Can confirm, when developing software (a big project at $JOB) getting 3h out of a M3 MBP is a good day. IDE, build, test and crowdstrike are all quite power hungry.
    - mbreese 1y ago
      I wonder how much of that is crowdstrike. At $LASTJOB my Mac was constantly chugging due to some mandated security software. Battery life on that computer was always horrible compared to a personal MB w/o it.
      - yalok 1y ago
        Exactly. Antiviruses are evil in this sense - crippling battery life significantly. Wherever possible, I send “pkill -STOP” to all those processes, and stall them and thus save battery…
        mbreese 1y ago
        The firewall on that computer killed the battery (with repeated crashing). It also refused to work with a USB Ethernet adapter so I could only use wifi. It was clearly a product meant to check a security box, written by a company that knew nothing about Macs, bought by Enterprise Windows admins. It was incredibly frustrating. (The next version of MacOS moved firewalls away from in-kernel to extensions. I like to think it was my repeated crash logs that made the difference.) I half wonder if that’s part of the issue with Windows PCs and their battery life. The OS requires so much extra monitoring just to protect itself that it ends up affecting performance and battery life significantly. It wouldn’t be surprising to me if this alone was the major performance boost Macs have over Windows laptops.
spankibalt 1y ago
> "[...] battery life is quite good, ~5hr or so [...]" You call five hours good?! Damn... For productivity use, I'd never buy anything below shift-endurance (eight hours or more).
- mrheosuper 1y ago
  Depends on what you do at work, 5 hours of continuous editing video is pretty good.
- weighterjsk 1y ago
  Highly dependent on workload, using my older work laptop with 100Wh battery it lasted maybe ~40min if you put some real work on it. Browsing the web or managing tickets on Jira is completely different

justinram11 1y ago

Curious if the suspend / hibernate "just works" when you close the lid? I feel like I've tried several times to get this working in both Linux and Windows on various laptops and have never actually found a reliable solution (often resulting in having a hot and dead laptop in my backpack).

SequoiaHope 1y ago
I learned that even tho I run Ubuntu, arch wiki has good info on proper commands to run to configure this behavior on my machine.
l72 1y ago
I have an intel framework running fedora. I have found that intels s0 sleep just uses way too much battery. I’d expect that in sleep mode, it should last a week and still be above 50% power but that is definitely not the case. I ended up moving to hybrid, where it suspends for an hour allowing immediate wake up then hibernates completely. It’s a decent compromise and I’ve never once had an issue with resume from suspend or hibernate, nor have I ever had an issue with it randomly waking up and frying itself in a backpack or unexpectedly having a dead battery. My work M1 is still superior in this regard but it is an acceptable compromise.
blacksmith_tb 1y ago
It does! The only thing wasn't working out of the box, so to speak, was the fingerprint reader, I had to do a little config to get it going.
queenkjuul 1y ago
If it makes you feel better, my work provided MBP has picked up this habit and is dead take the time i go to wake it up Windows laptops are still worse, but i appreciate Apple continuing to give me reasons to hate them

himeexcelanta 1y ago

I’m sure it’s great. As a layman there’s no way I’m running something called “Pop!_OS” versus Mac OS.

DANmode 1y ago
How'd you get here - "as a layman"?
blacksmith_tb 1y ago
Meh, it's kind of a silly name, sure, but it's one of the few distros backed by an actual vendor (System76) who isn't just trying to sucker you into buying something. As a result it has a nice level of polish and function. I like macOS fine, I have been using Macs since 1984 (though things like SIP grate).
- cyberpunk 1y ago
  Why does SIP grate? For my work machines I really want features like SIP to prevent fuckups and malware (especially considering how much code a random rust or node application pulls in). For tinkering machines and servers and stuff of course that’s a different story..
  - badc0ffee 1y ago
    You can always disable it on your tinkering machines.
bigyabai 1y ago
You're missing out. I've daily-driven both, modern macOS feels like a Fischer Price operating system by comparison.

bigmadshoe 1y ago

5 hours seems a lot worse than the ~10 hours I get on my M4 Air.

threatripper 1y ago
I get like 3 hours on my MBP when I use it. MacBooks have better runtime only when they are mostly idle, not when you fully load them.
- baq 1y ago
  Can confirm, when developing software (a big project at $JOB) getting 3h out of a M3 MBP is a good day. IDE, build, test and crowdstrike are all quite power hungry.
  - mbreese 1y ago
    I wonder how much of that is crowdstrike. At $LASTJOB my Mac was constantly chugging due to some mandated security software. Battery life on that computer was always horrible compared to a personal MB w/o it.
    - yalok 1y ago
      Exactly. Antiviruses are evil in this sense - crippling battery life significantly. Wherever possible, I send “pkill -STOP” to all those processes, and stall them and thus save battery…
      - mbreese 1y ago
        The firewall on that computer killed the battery (with repeated crashing). It also refused to work with a USB Ethernet adapter so I could only use wifi. It was clearly a product meant to check a security box, written by a company that knew nothing about Macs, bought by Enterprise Windows admins. It was incredibly frustrating. (The next version of MacOS moved firewalls away from in-kernel to extensions. I like to think it was my repeated crash logs that made the difference.) I half wonder if that’s part of the issue with Windows PCs and their battery life. The OS requires so much extra monitoring just to protect itself that it ends up affecting performance and battery life significantly. It wouldn’t be surprising to me if this alone was the major performance boost Macs have over Windows laptops.

spankibalt 1y ago

> "[...] battery life is quite good, ~5hr or so [...]" You call five hours good?! Damn... For productivity use, I'd never buy anything below shift-endurance (eight hours or more).

mrheosuper 1y ago
Depends on what you do at work, 5 hours of continuous editing video is pretty good.
weighterjsk 1y ago
Highly dependent on workload, using my older work laptop with 100Wh battery it lasted maybe ~40min if you put some real work on it. Browsing the web or managing tickets on Jira is completely different