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This is how macOS works, without a signature they will tell you they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware and you need to go to settings and choose to run an

This is how macOS works, without a signature they will tell you they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware and you need to go to settings and choose to run anyway (and most people don't even know about it). Microsoft would love to do that too, but it just has too much of legacy software to introduce such a major hurdle.

tomsmeding 1y ago
Is the right-click -> Open workaround not a thing any more on macOS?
- thebitstick 1y ago
  Open -> Click away the error message -> Settings -> Privacy & Security -> Open Anyways -> Open Anyways -> Authenticate -> app actually opens
  - bithaze 1y ago
    There's a ctrl+open shortcut, if I remember correctly, which may be what the parent comment is referring to.
    - soxfox42 1y ago
      As of macOS 15 (I think?), that shortcut stopped working, it will just show the same unverified software warning.
    - rpdillon 1y ago
      Nope, they've been making it steadily more difficult with each release. The control open shortcut no longer works.
    - swat535 1y ago
      Nope, it has been removed. Also God help you if want to run something that needs system extensions.. You will need to boot to recovery mode, go through utility and enable it: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchl768f7291/mac https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchl768f7291/... Basically average users will never be able to pull this off.
- sneak 1y ago
  It requires a trip to a submenu in the Settings app now. You can’t do it simply or easily.
autoexec 1y ago
> This is how macOS works, without a signature they will tell you they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware Even with a signature they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware. The fact that signed malware exists should be enough to put an end to the argument that it's for our own good.
- mrits 1y ago
  The fact that people die with helmets on motorcycles should put an end to the argument that it's for our own good.
  - autoexec 1y ago
    If you had to give away your privacy to use one and could only use helmets authorized by your motorcycle dealer you might have a point. We accept impositions on our freedom all the time when what we get in return is worth the sacrifice. If signed binaries actually delivered on their promise of keeping people safe there'd be a discussion that could be had on whether or not it'd be worthwhile, but since they don't actually protect people we'd be giving up our privacy for nothing.
    - mrits 1y ago
      What you said had absolutely nothing to do with your original illogical statement.
      - autoexec 1y ago
        "the argument that it's for our own good." is their instance that we should accept this loss of our freedom to run the software we want because it protects us. It doesn't actually protect us though, so it isn't worth it and we shouldn't accept it. My original statement had nothing to do with motorcycle helmets, but if using them required us to give up enough of our freedoms they could also become unacceptable for the level or protection they provide (or fail to provide) us.
int_19h 1y ago
Microsoft does the same exact thing with SmartScreen, except that it has a whitelist for popular binaries.

tomsmeding 1y ago

Is the right-click -> Open workaround not a thing any more on macOS?

thebitstick 1y ago
Open -> Click away the error message -> Settings -> Privacy & Security -> Open Anyways -> Open Anyways -> Authenticate -> app actually opens
- bithaze 1y ago
  There's a ctrl+open shortcut, if I remember correctly, which may be what the parent comment is referring to.
  - soxfox42 1y ago
    As of macOS 15 (I think?), that shortcut stopped working, it will just show the same unverified software warning.
  - rpdillon 1y ago
    Nope, they've been making it steadily more difficult with each release. The control open shortcut no longer works.
  - swat535 1y ago
    Nope, it has been removed. Also God help you if want to run something that needs system extensions.. You will need to boot to recovery mode, go through utility and enable it: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchl768f7291/mac https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchl768f7291/... Basically average users will never be able to pull this off.
sneak 1y ago
It requires a trip to a submenu in the Settings app now. You can’t do it simply or easily.

autoexec 1y ago

> This is how macOS works, without a signature they will tell you they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware Even with a signature they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware. The fact that signed malware exists should be enough to put an end to the argument that it's for our own good.

mrits 1y ago
The fact that people die with helmets on motorcycles should put an end to the argument that it's for our own good.
- autoexec 1y ago
  If you had to give away your privacy to use one and could only use helmets authorized by your motorcycle dealer you might have a point. We accept impositions on our freedom all the time when what we get in return is worth the sacrifice. If signed binaries actually delivered on their promise of keeping people safe there'd be a discussion that could be had on whether or not it'd be worthwhile, but since they don't actually protect people we'd be giving up our privacy for nothing.
  - mrits 1y ago
    What you said had absolutely nothing to do with your original illogical statement.
    - autoexec 1y ago
      "the argument that it's for our own good." is their instance that we should accept this loss of our freedom to run the software we want because it protects us. It doesn't actually protect us though, so it isn't worth it and we shouldn't accept it. My original statement had nothing to do with motorcycle helmets, but if using them required us to give up enough of our freedoms they could also become unacceptable for the level or protection they provide (or fail to provide) us.

int_19h 1y ago

Microsoft does the same exact thing with SmartScreen, except that it has a whitelist for popular binaries.