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Google is doing everything in their power to make me move to an iphone... between shit like this, effectively bricking some old models of pixels with un-rollbac

by gpm 1y ago

Google is doing everything in their power to make me move to an iphone... between shit like this, effectively bricking some old models of pixels with un-rollbackable patches that destroy batteries, closing down the android development process, making absurd testing requirements to publish apps, etc. Google doesn't make better phones, they were just less hostile to the consumer. That seems to be going away :(

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croes 1y ago
Is sideloading a thing on iOS?
- kachapopopow 1y ago
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- Zak 1y ago
  In legal jurisdictions where Apple is forced to allow it, yes. They have a similar scheme for requiring developers to register and are demanding per-install fees for popular apps, though I'm not sure that will survive regulatory scrutiny in the EU. Otherwise, I think it's possible to use developer tools to temporarily install apps on an iPhone. IIRC this requires a Mac and has to be repeated every few days.
  - nicce 1y ago
    > and has to be repeated every few days. 7 days for free account. 1 year for paid (until membership ends?). 90 days for TestFlight.
    - miladyincontrol 1y ago
      Worth adding on there are methods to update signatures, altstore being one example Although using their app to help automate that then takes up one the app slots for free accounts
- viktorcode 1y ago
  There's a technical possibility, but it's not a thing, as in there's not a lot of iPhone users interested in that
  - platevoltage 1y ago
    I was way into the Cydia/Jailbreaking scene back in the day. These days, I find it hard to care about being able to do weird stuff with my iPhone. I just care that it works well.
    - viktorcode 1y ago
      Apple adopted many ideas that first appeared on Cydia. Some customisation options, some missing features. And now even game emulators are available on App Store.
- jajuuka 1y ago
  Yep, available to anyone. It's much more restrictive though. Basically you need a valid developer certificate to sign apps. You can use your own with a free developer account but you only get so many tokens per week and apps need to have their tokens refreshed weekly. You can also use an enterprise developer certificate that lasts forever but if Apple revokes it then the app stops working until you get another working cert. It does require you to turn on iOS developer settings by connecting to a Mac with Xcode installed to enable but then you can manage app installation and refreshing via an App Store like Alt Store. EU has different system where there is no limit on amount of sideloadable apps but the apps still need to be approved by Apple. Alt Store also have a EU specific App Store for that purpose. I side loaded on iOS for a long time. Get Youtube++ for ad free and I forget the Reddit client I used that was side loaded as well. You can run the server on any PC or Mac that will handle side loaded apps and being on the same WiFi network allows the server to automatically refresh the installed apps. Only big downside is updates are not automatic or simple. To update an app you have to download the new app .ipa and then sign it like you were installing it fresh. Usually it picks up the existing configs and data though. So it's not a full app wipe. The sideloaded subreddit is where I got into it through.
james2doyle 1y ago
Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery"? Leaving Google for Apple, and expecting a more open app store, is going to be disappointing. I’m not a Google fanboy by any means, just pointing out the landscape out there
- nicce 1y ago
  > Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery It wasn’t guise, it actually increased the battery life quite much. People complained about the battery of old phones. The problem was that users did not have choice to opt-out.
  - makeitdouble 1y ago
    There was the opt-out part, but also the complete silence around the issue that comforted people into thinking they needed new phones every 2 years instead of just replacing the battery. Apple wouldn't have had to do all the song and dance if from the start a popup warned the users their battery lost capacity and should be serviced.
    - platevoltage 1y ago
      Yeah, the feature itself wasn't bad, it was the implementation that was.
- zaphirplane 1y ago
  > Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery"? That’s not a true story.
- GeekyBear 1y ago
  > Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery"? Nope. There was an issue in iPhones and Nexus phones that had been used for a few years where a worn battery could no longer maintain a voltage high enough to meet instantaneous SOC power demand, resulting in unexpected device shut downs. Apple got the device to quit shutting off without warning by throttling older devices and Google did nothing and just told users to buy a new device. They both got sued, and both lost. > If you currently or formerly owned a Google Nexus 6P smartphone, we have some good news: you might be eligible for a cash rebate for those bootloops and spontaneous shutdowns the device was known for. https://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-6p-lawsuit-2019-975474/ https://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-6p-lawsuit-2019-97547...
thayne 1y ago
As mentioned in OP, Apple is doing the same thing.
- gpm 1y ago
  I'm aware, I'm saying Google is trending towards being as abusive with their software practices as Apple already is, not worse. And saying that for me anyways the only reason I have an Android and not an IPhone is because they were less abusive. On unrelated metrics like hardware quality Apple generally seems to do better.
  - delfinom 1y ago
    Apple's hardware quality is pretty solid. Using Apple's software is basically an exercise in being a sub. I have a stroke everytime I try to navigate settings on a iPhone each time someone asks. It's like they don't want you to try and change anything, ever.
- throw_m239339 1y ago
  > As mentioned in OP, Apple is doing the same thing. The thing is that if Google choses to make Android OS as closed as iOS, I'd rather use an iPhone than an Android phone...
- ryukoposting 1y ago
  Precisely. If I can't control what I put on my Android phone anymore, I no longer have any reason to use an Android. iPhones have normal USB ports now, and that was the other big barrier.
- Klonoar 1y ago
  > Google doesn't make better phones, they were just less hostile to the consumer. And the person you're responding to was pretty clear that the issue if they both do the same thing, Google has no edge in devices.
- celsoazevedo 1y ago
  If both systems are similar in terms of features and freedom, then I might as well choose the one that tracks me less and offers a more polished experience.
Dban1 1y ago
More power to Apple then..?

by gpm 1y ago

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croes 1y ago

Is sideloading a thing on iOS?

kachapopopow 1y ago
[flagged]
Zak 1y ago
In legal jurisdictions where Apple is forced to allow it, yes. They have a similar scheme for requiring developers to register and are demanding per-install fees for popular apps, though I'm not sure that will survive regulatory scrutiny in the EU. Otherwise, I think it's possible to use developer tools to temporarily install apps on an iPhone. IIRC this requires a Mac and has to be repeated every few days.
- nicce 1y ago
  > and has to be repeated every few days. 7 days for free account. 1 year for paid (until membership ends?). 90 days for TestFlight.
  - miladyincontrol 1y ago
    Worth adding on there are methods to update signatures, altstore being one example Although using their app to help automate that then takes up one the app slots for free accounts
viktorcode 1y ago
There's a technical possibility, but it's not a thing, as in there's not a lot of iPhone users interested in that
- platevoltage 1y ago
  I was way into the Cydia/Jailbreaking scene back in the day. These days, I find it hard to care about being able to do weird stuff with my iPhone. I just care that it works well.
  - viktorcode 1y ago
    Apple adopted many ideas that first appeared on Cydia. Some customisation options, some missing features. And now even game emulators are available on App Store.
jajuuka 1y ago
Yep, available to anyone. It's much more restrictive though. Basically you need a valid developer certificate to sign apps. You can use your own with a free developer account but you only get so many tokens per week and apps need to have their tokens refreshed weekly. You can also use an enterprise developer certificate that lasts forever but if Apple revokes it then the app stops working until you get another working cert. It does require you to turn on iOS developer settings by connecting to a Mac with Xcode installed to enable but then you can manage app installation and refreshing via an App Store like Alt Store. EU has different system where there is no limit on amount of sideloadable apps but the apps still need to be approved by Apple. Alt Store also have a EU specific App Store for that purpose. I side loaded on iOS for a long time. Get Youtube++ for ad free and I forget the Reddit client I used that was side loaded as well. You can run the server on any PC or Mac that will handle side loaded apps and being on the same WiFi network allows the server to automatically refresh the installed apps. Only big downside is updates are not automatic or simple. To update an app you have to download the new app .ipa and then sign it like you were installing it fresh. Usually it picks up the existing configs and data though. So it's not a full app wipe. The sideloaded subreddit is where I got into it through.

james2doyle 1y ago

Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery"? Leaving Google for Apple, and expecting a more open app store, is going to be disappointing. I’m not a Google fanboy by any means, just pointing out the landscape out there

nicce 1y ago
> Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery It wasn’t guise, it actually increased the battery life quite much. People complained about the battery of old phones. The problem was that users did not have choice to opt-out.
- makeitdouble 1y ago
  There was the opt-out part, but also the complete silence around the issue that comforted people into thinking they needed new phones every 2 years instead of just replacing the battery. Apple wouldn't have had to do all the song and dance if from the start a popup warned the users their battery lost capacity and should be serviced.
  - platevoltage 1y ago
    Yeah, the feature itself wasn't bad, it was the implementation that was.
zaphirplane 1y ago
> Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery"? That’s not a true story.
GeekyBear 1y ago
> Wasn’t Apple the one actually caught throttling devices with an update to slow phones down under the guise of "saving battery"? Nope. There was an issue in iPhones and Nexus phones that had been used for a few years where a worn battery could no longer maintain a voltage high enough to meet instantaneous SOC power demand, resulting in unexpected device shut downs. Apple got the device to quit shutting off without warning by throttling older devices and Google did nothing and just told users to buy a new device. They both got sued, and both lost. > If you currently or formerly owned a Google Nexus 6P smartphone, we have some good news: you might be eligible for a cash rebate for those bootloops and spontaneous shutdowns the device was known for. https://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-6p-lawsuit-2019-975474/ https://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-6p-lawsuit-2019-97547...

thayne 1y ago

As mentioned in OP, Apple is doing the same thing.

gpm 1y ago
I'm aware, I'm saying Google is trending towards being as abusive with their software practices as Apple already is, not worse. And saying that for me anyways the only reason I have an Android and not an IPhone is because they were less abusive. On unrelated metrics like hardware quality Apple generally seems to do better.
- delfinom 1y ago
  Apple's hardware quality is pretty solid. Using Apple's software is basically an exercise in being a sub. I have a stroke everytime I try to navigate settings on a iPhone each time someone asks. It's like they don't want you to try and change anything, ever.
throw_m239339 1y ago
> As mentioned in OP, Apple is doing the same thing. The thing is that if Google choses to make Android OS as closed as iOS, I'd rather use an iPhone than an Android phone...
ryukoposting 1y ago
Precisely. If I can't control what I put on my Android phone anymore, I no longer have any reason to use an Android. iPhones have normal USB ports now, and that was the other big barrier.
Klonoar 1y ago
> Google doesn't make better phones, they were just less hostile to the consumer. And the person you're responding to was pretty clear that the issue if they both do the same thing, Google has no edge in devices.
celsoazevedo 1y ago
If both systems are similar in terms of features and freedom, then I might as well choose the one that tracks me less and offers a more polished experience.

Dban1 1y ago

More power to Apple then..?