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I'm thinking it's time for a 2nd phone (in my case old one from cupboard) to become the regular daily GrapheneOS enabled driver and then keep a modern Google(tm

I'm thinking it's time for a 2nd phone (in my case old one from cupboard) to become the regular daily GrapheneOS enabled driver and then keep a modern Google(tm) updated one at home for all the "official crap" whenever needed. That way I can also separate banking / paypal / etc. from my carry phone with all it's various apps that I trust to varying degrees.

UnreachableCode 1y ago
I'm curious why you need a phone for banking at all, at home as you say. Wouldn't a laptop suffice? Granted, not all banks have a web app these days
- reorder9695 1y ago
  Not for me at least, 3DS requires approval in an app on my phone. I'd love if the banks just used TOTP instead but no, I have to use their app, some of which don't work with an unlocked bootloader, so I have to have stock android
donmcronald 1y ago
This was the first thing that crossed my mind. If it’s not too much money and hassle I could buy a second device for GrapheneOS and tether to the cheapest phone I can get for the official ecosystem. Really though, it doesn’t have enough impact for consumers. If I get unfairly banned as a developer, no one even notices because that’s nothing more than an opportunity for another developer to step in. Individually we have no power :-(
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
  Those are the moments I am starting to fantasize about starting a customer protection group that is sufficiently committed to follow through on organizing boycotts. Naturally, reality hits once you see average human on the road ( on a highway, full speed ). We might be lost a species.
  - dingdingdang 1y ago
    Well, in a sense it's the Milgram experiment ratio (roughly 2/3rds will go along with whatever those in authority say). I have personally gone from being discouraged about that factoid to simply being intrigued.. A very early example of the awareness of this situation would be the concept of the wide vs narrow gate from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
GeoAtreides 1y ago
ding ding ding a second phone is the correct answer
amlib 1y ago
I wonder if you could keep your "snitch" android phone home by instrumentalizing it, enabling you to access it remotely on your main linux/degoogled android phone. It might not even be that outrageous of an idea since there are tons of botfarms that are essentially stacks and stacks of legit phones being remotely controlled... the tech might be there already, just need to adapt if for something good...
- ycombinatrix 1y ago
  https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
  - amlib 1y ago
    How likely is it for google to deny access to all or most of the apis that makes this possible? Then you need to point a camera to the screen, mike the speakers and so on...
    - ycombinatrix 1y ago
      If you asked me yesterday if Google would ever block sideloading, I would have said no. All bets are off at this point.

UnreachableCode 1y ago

I'm curious why you need a phone for banking at all, at home as you say. Wouldn't a laptop suffice? Granted, not all banks have a web app these days

reorder9695 1y ago
Not for me at least, 3DS requires approval in an app on my phone. I'd love if the banks just used TOTP instead but no, I have to use their app, some of which don't work with an unlocked bootloader, so I have to have stock android

donmcronald 1y ago

This was the first thing that crossed my mind. If it’s not too much money and hassle I could buy a second device for GrapheneOS and tether to the cheapest phone I can get for the official ecosystem. Really though, it doesn’t have enough impact for consumers. If I get unfairly banned as a developer, no one even notices because that’s nothing more than an opportunity for another developer to step in. Individually we have no power :-(

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
Those are the moments I am starting to fantasize about starting a customer protection group that is sufficiently committed to follow through on organizing boycotts. Naturally, reality hits once you see average human on the road ( on a highway, full speed ). We might be lost a species.
- dingdingdang 1y ago
  Well, in a sense it's the Milgram experiment ratio (roughly 2/3rds will go along with whatever those in authority say). I have personally gone from being discouraged about that factoid to simply being intrigued.. A very early example of the awareness of this situation would be the concept of the wide vs narrow gate from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

GeoAtreides 1y ago

ding ding ding a second phone is the correct answer

amlib 1y ago

I wonder if you could keep your "snitch" android phone home by instrumentalizing it, enabling you to access it remotely on your main linux/degoogled android phone. It might not even be that outrageous of an idea since there are tons of botfarms that are essentially stacks and stacks of legit phones being remotely controlled... the tech might be there already, just need to adapt if for something good...

ycombinatrix 1y ago
https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
- amlib 1y ago
  How likely is it for google to deny access to all or most of the apis that makes this possible? Then you need to point a camera to the screen, mike the speakers and so on...
  - ycombinatrix 1y ago
    If you asked me yesterday if Google would ever block sideloading, I would have said no. All bets are off at this point.