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The do not call list seems to be a "Spam me, you brute" list. In the beginning, they seemed to take their job seriously, but I doubt that has been the case for

The do not call list seems to be a "Spam me, you brute" list. In the beginning, they seemed to take their job seriously, but I doubt that has been the case for many years. Right after SHAKEN/STIR was passed, I got zero spoofed calls. I did get a few robocalls, but they weren't spoofed. For a month or so. So that shows the problem can be solved, legislatively. Then, they started coming back, and now, almost every call I get, is spoofed. This includes some legit ones. Also, legit callers should keep in mind that the autodialer companies they employ, might also moonlight as spammers, so they get blacklisted. I have had quite a number of legit calls get listed as spam. Cynically, I feel as if politicians are unwilling to get tough on these, because they (or their proxies) use them. That seems to be both sides of the aisle.

mikestew 1y ago
Cynically, I feel as if politicians are unwilling to get tough on these, because they (or their proxies) use them. Of course they do, and they voted themselves an exception. Same reason some small business in Redmond, WA isn't allowed to put out a sandwich board sign, but 10 months before every election every g*ddamned piece of dirt in Redmond has a political sign stuck into it.
- godelski 1y ago
  Funny enough, when that Roy Moore scandal was unfolding I was living in The South and I kept getting calls and voicemails from someone named "Bernie Bernstein" who was definitely trying their best impression of Bernie Sanders while telling me about how Democrats are pedophiles.
delfinom 1y ago
They figured out the flaw to SHAKEN/STIR. It was mandated for VOIP calls. So instead these scam call centers switched to the legacy SS7, that's how you are getting all these fraudulent calls. SS7 is not IP based and incompatible with SHAKEN/STIR And it'll be 400 years from now before any US telecom thinks about discontinuing SS7.
- criddell 1y ago
  I wish I could tell my phone to return a busy signal for unknown numbers lacking whatever it is that SHAKEN/STIR provides.
godelski 1y ago
> Also, legit callers should keep in mind Also, legit callers should keep in mind that using a screening service (like Google's) should mean "I'm looking at my phone but you're calling from an unknown number so why do you expect me to pick it up in a world where literally everyone knows how common spam calls are?" As well as "If you leave a message there's a decent chance I'm going to call you back in 30 seconds, I don't want to start a game of phone tag." If I don't know your number AND I'm not expecting a call, I 100% will not answer it. If you're legit, sorry, you are the exception, not the typical case. Don't blame me, blame the spammers. The modern world is absolutely infuriating, filled with self-inflicted problems. > Right after SHAKEN/STIR was passed It has definitely gone through ebbs and flows. Predictably around legislation about this topic. I 100% believe this is a problem that can be solved (greatly impacted) through legislation given this strong correlation. But I don't think it is because the DNC list is a list to call but rather that I've had this number for a few decades and it definitely made it onto some list years ago. > moonlight as spammers This is 100% happening. As well as a lot of other illegal stuff. I worked at a call center for two months between my undergrad and getting hired and my coked up bosses 100% asked us to do illegal things. I disobeyed. Anytime someone asked me to take them off the list I complied. Got written up, didn't give a fuck. They were definitely selling those lists to spammers who were happy to have confirmation that the numbers were legitimate.

mikestew 1y ago

Cynically, I feel as if politicians are unwilling to get tough on these, because they (or their proxies) use them. Of course they do, and they voted themselves an exception. Same reason some small business in Redmond, WA isn't allowed to put out a sandwich board sign, but 10 months before every election every g*ddamned piece of dirt in Redmond has a political sign stuck into it.

godelski 1y ago
Funny enough, when that Roy Moore scandal was unfolding I was living in The South and I kept getting calls and voicemails from someone named "Bernie Bernstein" who was definitely trying their best impression of Bernie Sanders while telling me about how Democrats are pedophiles.

delfinom 1y ago

They figured out the flaw to SHAKEN/STIR. It was mandated for VOIP calls. So instead these scam call centers switched to the legacy SS7, that's how you are getting all these fraudulent calls. SS7 is not IP based and incompatible with SHAKEN/STIR And it'll be 400 years from now before any US telecom thinks about discontinuing SS7.

criddell 1y ago
I wish I could tell my phone to return a busy signal for unknown numbers lacking whatever it is that SHAKEN/STIR provides.

godelski 1y ago

> Also, legit callers should keep in mind Also, legit callers should keep in mind that using a screening service (like Google's) should mean "I'm looking at my phone but you're calling from an unknown number so why do you expect me to pick it up in a world where literally everyone knows how common spam calls are?" As well as "If you leave a message there's a decent chance I'm going to call you back in 30 seconds, I don't want to start a game of phone tag." If I don't know your number AND I'm not expecting a call, I 100% will not answer it. If you're legit, sorry, you are the exception, not the typical case. Don't blame me, blame the spammers. The modern world is absolutely infuriating, filled with self-inflicted problems. > Right after SHAKEN/STIR was passed It has definitely gone through ebbs and flows. Predictably around legislation about this topic. I 100% believe this is a problem that can be solved (greatly impacted) through legislation given this strong correlation. But I don't think it is because the DNC list is a list to call but rather that I've had this number for a few decades and it definitely made it onto some list years ago. > moonlight as spammers This is 100% happening. As well as a lot of other illegal stuff. I worked at a call center for two months between my undergrad and getting hired and my coked up bosses 100% asked us to do illegal things. I disobeyed. Anytime someone asked me to take them off the list I complied. Got written up, didn't give a fuck. They were definitely selling those lists to spammers who were happy to have confirmation that the numbers were legitimate.