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This is an example of comments that are hurting HN's quality. Absolutely nothing useful to add to the discussion, just snark. Yet for some reason its the highe
by qeorge 14y ago
This is an example of comments that are hurting HN's quality.
Absolutely nothing useful to add to the discussion, just snark. Yet for some reason its the highest voted comment.
- TomGullen 14y agoI think it's a collective release of pent up frustration over GoDaddy's operations, ethics and politics.
- unreal37 14y agoPent up? People have been hating on GoDaddy for years. Nothing is pent up.
- stanleydrew 14y agoWell GoDaddy isn't going away. Things get pent up and then let out periodically as long as there's something to be frustrated with.
- rhizome 14y agoIt appears to be taboo to criticize any business in general terms within a capitalist society, but GD is a bad actor within the industry. You're attempting to marginalize GP's comment as "snark," but I'm not seeing it.
- mattacular 14y agoHere I'll help you find the snark: start by reading the first sentence.
- jlgreco 14y agoThe irony here is just sickening.
- mattacular 14y agoAre you trying to say that it is ironic because my post is also snarky? If so, I think you need to a) go do some research on the concept of irony and then b) point out where I claimed to not be snarky...?
- jlgreco 14y ago> (informal, sometimes proscribed^)[1][2] Contradiction between circumstances and expectations; condition contrary to what might be expected. [from the 1640s] > ^ Some authorities proscribe the last sense, "contradiction of circumstances and expectations, condition contrary to what might be expected"[2], but it has been common since the 1600s.[3] Close enough for government work. Definitional pedantism aside, I think my point is clear.
- mattacular 14y agoTo be really pedantic, your assumption that there was some expectation that my post would not be snarky is fallacious. Why do you hold that expectation? See, I wasn't the one calling out the snark, I was just pointing out what from the OP could be considered snarky, and I did it in a snarky way. That isn't irony just because you held the (incorrect) belief that for some reason (again, what reason?) my response post could/should not be snarky. That is all besides the fact that you had to dig up a proscribed definition of irony from god knows where to support your faulty premise. Nice try though.
- jlgreco 14y agoI suppose my error was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you did not actually intend to be snarky. Also, read that definition again. It is not archaic, it is modern "it has been common since the 1600s". This definition was pulled from wiktionary. So to review, I dared use the word "irony" in an informal fashion, and you are a snarky pedant.
- mattacular 14y ago
- rhizome 14y agoI'm not reading that as snark, sorry.
- drivebyacct2 14y agoAnd yet every other month we have posts about password breaches with tons of HN users complaining about having to change their passwords. Or we have posts from people who didn't back up their data and their cloud provider lost it, or experienced hardware failure. Or we have technically savvy people who dismiss GoDaddy problems or have literally in the past said "It's good enough, we'll just stay because it's easy". Sure, it may be snark but I sure as hell hope it motivates at least one more person to switch. And apparently it has, unless I'm failing to detect sarcasm on one of the other replies. This entire conversation should be useless because there shouldn't be people here still using GoDaddy.
- ry0ohki 14y agoThe reasons not to use GoDaddy in the past have been entirely moral/political, not technical. I've been using them for 10 years without a DNS issue like this, so it's not quite the same thing.
- drivebyacct2 14y agoThat's simply not true. And even if you ignore strictly technical problems they've had in the past (and the technical issues I had helping a non-profit with a hacked GoDaddy instance on a shared box that they disclaimed responsibility for), their moral/political problems are technical problems as well. As far as I'm concerned, failing to follow a DMCA properly and instead simply re-routing DNS requests in the meantime is a technical issue just as much as political one.
- watty 14y agoI'm curious, how did you narrow it down to GoDaddy as being the culprit? Let me guess, you used a popular CMS?
- drivebyacct2 14y agoIt was a hosted WordPress blog. That by default makes it their fault. If WP weren't up to date, it's their fault. If the host for the shared instance were hacked and files were added to all of the shared installations (which is what happened), it's their fault. The problem was, the malware was only visible when the referrer was "Google", so they claimed there was nothing wrong. For weeks.
- terrapinbear 14y agoYou are what is hurting HN's quality.
- terrapinbear 14y agoHow come others get to downvote my comments but I don't like-wise? This is what's hurting HN. Black box phenomenon like this. No information about the commenting process. Maybe reddit is on to something after all. The designer of this site is one arrogant sob.
- drivebyacct2 14y agoWhat does Paul Graham have to do with people downvoting you. It's a policy to help with people reflexively downvoting and it encourages people to become positive contributors before they can moderate others. It's a public policy. It's no conspiracy.
- jat850 14y agoAt the risk of further degenerating into meta discussion, I'll answer your question: Downvoting privileges are opened up at a certain karma threshold. The number has changed a number of times in the past and I believe it's currently at around a floor of 500-600 karma. There are guidelines surrounding commenting/submissions here: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- calinet6 14y agoThis just in: "Pointless Arguments Over What's Hurting Hacker News are Hurting Hacker News." Just knock it off and get back to posting interesting discussion. If you're not doing that, you're contributing to the "hurting of HN." And I'm well within my understanding of hypocrisy and irony to be aware of the fact that I'm committing this exact fault, so thanks for pointing that out, you're so intelligent.
- matthuggins 14y agoThis is why I don't understand why I can't downvote despite being a newer user.
- terrapinbear 14y agoI'm an older user and I can't down vote. Please for the love of Paul Graham, give us a little info on what to expect when participate on the HN forum.
- drivebyacct2 14y agohttp://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- rhizome 14y agoYou have negative karma.
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- mkr-hn 14y agoNegative karma. There's nothing wrong with your comments, but they're better suited for the more casual atmosphere of Reddit. (which is why I like Reddit more)
- wissler 14y agoHeaven forbid that anyone possess a moral backbone.
- unreal37 14y agoI agree. As much as I don't like GoDaddy and have already moved most of my domains away from them, I don't like seeing someone say "you got what you deserved for using them". What a mean thing to say.
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- chintan 14y ago> "This is an example of comments that are hurting HN's quality." A potential solution to get this fixed: 1. SNRKY_COMMENTS = {MODs manually tag comments such as OP} 2. SNRKY_UPVOTERS = {Users who upvote SNRKY_COMMENTS} 3. Vote = Vote * 0.5 , if user(Vote) ∈ SNRKY_UPVOTERS
- saurik 14y agoSo, I had both upvoted that guy's comment and flagged this entire thread (as in, the top-level post). To me, and I think to many other people, what is actually the core problem with HN is that it is being flooded with a ton of what is pretty much "spam": posts that are either repetitive (either to content from years ago, or even to content from last week) or content that are informing people of things that should be prerequisite knowledge. In this case, the problem is that DNS is a distributed database, and the idea that people are hosting websites with all of their DNS from a single provider that is at the same time acting as their registrar (whose only purpose in the DNS infrastructure is to mediate your ability to change your DNS servers and renew your account) is horrific: it means something horrendously wrong has occurred in this community. Meanwhile, the comments here are just strange: people talking about "switching providers without downtime" when the whole point of how DNS works is that you can have arbitrarily many servers and thereby have multiple providers hosting your zones at once. To even have a webpage in the first place you had to setup DNS, and if you somehow skipped that step then you probably skipped tons of other important steps. :( Reading this entire thread is thereby just depressing: this isn't some advanced corner case of A/B testing leading to improved knowledge of how to do pricing, this is web hosting 101. Yet, somehow, we have 308 upvotes and 238 comments that have been left about an outage of a single provider for the only component in the entire stack of a website where you almost have to go out of your way to not have fault tolerance. Then, as opposed to trying to get this discussion out of the way as soon as possible, we are just being flooded with a combination of people claiming that this is important, and that those who disagree are being "snarky", combined with opportunistic bloggers submitting tutorials like the "GoDaddy Outage: How to Migrate to AWS Route 53" that was just posted. Therefore, I will claim that it isn't drivebyacct2 that is indicative of a loss of HN quality: it is instead that somehow any of this was relevant in the first place, and that once posted it keeps spreading. I can understand people being interested when AWS or Heroku or even GitHub goes offline, but no one on Hacker News should care if GoDaddy DNS goes offline.
- DASD 14y agoUnfortunately lack of hosting-related knowledge is indicative through and through here even to the actual startups out of YC. Is it too much to ask for someone to know the latest buzz about Rails but can't spell DNS? Good luck if you choose this as your crusade to educate. http://syskall.com/yc-w12-startups-hosting-decisions http://syskall.com/yc-w12-startups-hosting-decisions http://jpf.github.com/domain-profiler/ycombinator.html http://jpf.github.com/domain-profiler/ycombinator.html